I am Alexey Morgunov and I do publicly endorse this post as accurately representing my views, questions and concerns. I was part of many discussions involving (but not limited to) Jonathan Lee and Adam Casey that ultimately led to this post, I was involved (to a small extent) in writing this post and I approved of its content before it was published.
Some further disclaimers: I am not working or volunteering for any of the CEA/GWWC/80,000h or related organisations. I am technically an 80,000h member, but having still signed the old pledge, I no longer consider myself to be officially a member, given the changed nature of the organisation.
The aim of this post is not to rain fire and destruction on CEA, who are ultimately doing a job whose goals I strongly support and agree with. The aim of this post is to initiate public discussion about the concerns that myself and others have had with the CEA. Will, thank you for your correct approach to our criticism. I am looking forward to reading your reply.
I disagree with Luke about the “common courtesy” procedure. In my opinion, in a situation where the organisation being criticised is actually (claiming to be) operating with large sums of donations, it should stand under fully open public scrutiny. Maybe it is my cultural origin but pre-moderated criticism does lend itself to easy speculation regarding corruption, and makes me trust the discourse far less. (I am NOT implying anything, nor accusing anyone, my statement is purely theoretical.) Furthermore, given the constructive nature of the criticism as well as the self-selective audience of LW rather than a wider medium, I do believe that publishing our criticism without prior consultation with Will or any other official from the CEA remains the right thing to do.
I disagree with Luke about the “common courtesy” procedure.
Do you still disagree with that procedure now that we know Jonathan’s post contained numerous errors and misrepresentations? (See: 1, 2, 3, 4.) I’ll bet that more people read the original (highly inaccurate) post than came back to read wdcrouch’s corrections in the comments many days later.
a situation where the organisation being criticised is actually (claiming to be) operating with large sums of donations
The CEA is claiming to be influencing a lot of donations, but that’s not the same as operating with them. As in, people are not giving large sums to the CEA. (Though I think people should, as Will’s argument that their ROI is highly positive convinces me.)
I am Alexey Morgunov and I do publicly endorse this post as accurately representing my views, questions and concerns. I was part of many discussions involving (but not limited to) Jonathan Lee and Adam Casey that ultimately led to this post, I was involved (to a small extent) in writing this post and I approved of its content before it was published.
Some further disclaimers: I am not working or volunteering for any of the CEA/GWWC/80,000h or related organisations. I am technically an 80,000h member, but having still signed the old pledge, I no longer consider myself to be officially a member, given the changed nature of the organisation.
The aim of this post is not to rain fire and destruction on CEA, who are ultimately doing a job whose goals I strongly support and agree with. The aim of this post is to initiate public discussion about the concerns that myself and others have had with the CEA. Will, thank you for your correct approach to our criticism. I am looking forward to reading your reply.
I disagree with Luke about the “common courtesy” procedure. In my opinion, in a situation where the organisation being criticised is actually (claiming to be) operating with large sums of donations, it should stand under fully open public scrutiny. Maybe it is my cultural origin but pre-moderated criticism does lend itself to easy speculation regarding corruption, and makes me trust the discourse far less. (I am NOT implying anything, nor accusing anyone, my statement is purely theoretical.) Furthermore, given the constructive nature of the criticism as well as the self-selective audience of LW rather than a wider medium, I do believe that publishing our criticism without prior consultation with Will or any other official from the CEA remains the right thing to do.
Do you still disagree with that procedure now that we know Jonathan’s post contained numerous errors and misrepresentations? (See: 1, 2, 3, 4.) I’ll bet that more people read the original (highly inaccurate) post than came back to read wdcrouch’s corrections in the comments many days later.
The CEA is claiming to be influencing a lot of donations, but that’s not the same as operating with them. As in, people are not giving large sums to the CEA. (Though I think people should, as Will’s argument that their ROI is highly positive convinces me.)