We know Quirrel can’t directly influence Harry with magic, but Bellatrix was broken out of Azkaban long ago and barely mentioned since. Has anyone noticed if harry is particularly more irrational/credulous in the chapters after this than he was before? Because Harry knows Quirrel can’t mind-rape him he might be less suspicious than he should be of his mind being bent by Bellatrix to be less suspicious of Quirrel.
We know Quirrel can’t directly influence Harry with magic
We know Harry thinks that. We know Quirrell has let him go on believing it. We have some further evidence that it’s true (e.g., the business with the AK in Azkaban) but it’s hardly conclusive (e.g., because blocking an Avada Kedavra is an unusual enough thing that it might have weird consequences for reasons other than interaction between Quirrell’s magic and Harry).
his mind being bent by Bellatrix to be less suspicious of Quirrel
Unless there was a lot of deception going on in the Azkaban section of the story, she wasn’t in a great state to do anything so subtle the last time she and Harry were in the same place. If it can be done from a distance (which most magical things in canon HP and HPMOR alike apparently can’t), why single out Bellatrix in particular? There are other powerful nasty wizards around.
It’s worth keeping in mind that even if she’s completely useless for any sort of mission, Bellatrix may still be useful to Quirrell, by providing materials for the spell to restore his original body. This was discussed shortly after she was broken out; the spell would be at its most effective if the ingredients used were the most powerful of their kind; not merely the flesh of a servant, but the most faithful servant, and so on.
No matter how much the story diverges from the original HP canon, it’s still an option for characters to do the same things they did in the original, as demonstrated by Quirrell in the last couple of chapters.
MoR Riddle still made his horcruxes, and he didn’t do it for nothing.
IIRC, Sirius was able to resist the Dementors’ influence because they didn’t register his Animagus form properly, and thus retained much of his strength and sanity.
It was not Quirrel, but Dumbledore, who got troll into Hogwards. In analogy to canon, Dumbledore brought a troll to Hogwards as a training device for Harry and Hermione, see the book HP and Philosophers stone. In canon the purpose was fulfilled, because the children had some sparring with troll and defeated him safely afterwards. In HPMOR, the plot is reversed, because neither Harry nor Hermione fall for this training trap. When told they should NOT go to Hogwards basement, because the troll is there, they are immune to the reversed psychology. Rather, they reasonably decide to obey and not to do the dangerous thing. They simply ignore the basement. Dumbledore makes another try later by telling Harry once more NOT to go to the basement and NOT to use the Alohomora spell to unlock the basement door. In vain again. So the troll stays in the basement for a long time, until Quirrel unleashes him, transforms him to be sunlight-immune and uses him as a weapon on Hermione.
OK, I admit, maybe I do not remember canon as well as I thought. I am sure, Dumbledore made some RPG game there for Harry and company, Hermione had a mathematical puzzle there etc. Was the troll plot separate from that RPG ?
You didn’t even read the wiki entry you were just linked to, did you? If you’d so much as glanced at it, you’d have seen that there was no “troll plot” beyond Quirrell using a troll as a distraction to allow him to try to get the Philosopher’s Stone.
If you’d further gone on to use said wiki to refresh your memory, you’d have found that there was no RPG made by Dumbledore—there was a chess game, made by McGonagall, and later the Mirror of Erised, placed by Dumbledore. The puzzle Hermione solved, meanwhile, was logic rather than mathematics.
I very strongly suggest that you abstain from further discussion until you’ve used the wiki (or the books) to remind yourself what really happens in canon.
We know Quirrel can’t directly influence Harry with magic, but Bellatrix was broken out of Azkaban long ago and barely mentioned since. Has anyone noticed if harry is particularly more irrational/credulous in the chapters after this than he was before? Because Harry knows Quirrel can’t mind-rape him he might be less suspicious than he should be of his mind being bent by Bellatrix to be less suspicious of Quirrel.
We know Harry thinks that. We know Quirrell has let him go on believing it. We have some further evidence that it’s true (e.g., the business with the AK in Azkaban) but it’s hardly conclusive (e.g., because blocking an Avada Kedavra is an unusual enough thing that it might have weird consequences for reasons other than interaction between Quirrell’s magic and Harry).
Unless there was a lot of deception going on in the Azkaban section of the story, she wasn’t in a great state to do anything so subtle the last time she and Harry were in the same place. If it can be done from a distance (which most magical things in canon HP and HPMOR alike apparently can’t), why single out Bellatrix in particular? There are other powerful nasty wizards around.
It’s worth keeping in mind that even if she’s completely useless for any sort of mission, Bellatrix may still be useful to Quirrell, by providing materials for the spell to restore his original body. This was discussed shortly after she was broken out; the spell would be at its most effective if the ingredients used were the most powerful of their kind; not merely the flesh of a servant, but the most faithful servant, and so on.
No matter how much the story diverges from the original HP canon, it’s still an option for characters to do the same things they did in the original, as demonstrated by Quirrell in the last couple of chapters.
MoR Riddle still made his horcruxes, and he didn’t do it for nothing.
Plus she still might carry secret ancient magic that could be taught to Harry or to someone else without Quirrel needing to.
I’m not saying she’s doing it from a distance. If quirrel can get a troll into Hogwarts why not Bellatrix?
Even so, it’s an awfully short amount of time to get Bellatrix in any state for an infiltration mission.
In canon, Sirius Black broke into Hogwarts a few weeks after escaping from being in Azkaban after 10 years.
IIRC, Sirius was able to resist the Dementors’ influence because they didn’t register his Animagus form properly, and thus retained much of his strength and sanity.
Trolls have inherent magical immunity that might make it easier to slip them into hogwarts without setting off alarms.
sure but Bellatrix is intelligent and not an enormous violent troll. That probably balances out?
“If quirrel can get a troll into Hogwarts...”
It was not Quirrel, but Dumbledore, who got troll into Hogwards. In analogy to canon, Dumbledore brought a troll to Hogwards as a training device for Harry and Hermione, see the book HP and Philosophers stone. In canon the purpose was fulfilled, because the children had some sparring with troll and defeated him safely afterwards. In HPMOR, the plot is reversed, because neither Harry nor Hermione fall for this training trap. When told they should NOT go to Hogwards basement, because the troll is there, they are immune to the reversed psychology. Rather, they reasonably decide to obey and not to do the dangerous thing. They simply ignore the basement. Dumbledore makes another try later by telling Harry once more NOT to go to the basement and NOT to use the Alohomora spell to unlock the basement door. In vain again. So the troll stays in the basement for a long time, until Quirrel unleashes him, transforms him to be sunlight-immune and uses him as a weapon on Hermione.
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Quirinus_Quirrell%27s_first_mountain_troll also you seem to have a very shitty understanding of canon.
OK, I admit, maybe I do not remember canon as well as I thought. I am sure, Dumbledore made some RPG game there for Harry and company, Hermione had a mathematical puzzle there etc. Was the troll plot separate from that RPG ?
You didn’t even read the wiki entry you were just linked to, did you? If you’d so much as glanced at it, you’d have seen that there was no “troll plot” beyond Quirrell using a troll as a distraction to allow him to try to get the Philosopher’s Stone.
If you’d further gone on to use said wiki to refresh your memory, you’d have found that there was no RPG made by Dumbledore—there was a chess game, made by McGonagall, and later the Mirror of Erised, placed by Dumbledore. The puzzle Hermione solved, meanwhile, was logic rather than mathematics.
I very strongly suggest that you abstain from further discussion until you’ve used the wiki (or the books) to remind yourself what really happens in canon.