I agree with you that we shouldn’t assume that finding meaningful activities for people to engage in as we progress is impossible. Not least of which because I think it is possible.
Actually, I’d say something stronger: I think right now we suck as a species at understanding what sorts of activities are meaningful and how to build a social infrastructure that creates such activities, and that we are suffering for the lack of it (and have done for millenia), and that we are just starting to develop tools with which to engage with this problem efficiently. In a few generations we might really see some progress in this area.
Nevertheless, I suspect that an argument of the form “lack of meaningful activity due to the solving of all problems is a logical contradiction, because such a lack of meaningful activity would then be an unsolved problem” is just playing with words, because the supposed contradiction is due entirely to the fact that the word “problem” means subtly different things in its two uses in that sentence.
I don’t mean anything deep by it, just that for example a system might be able to optimize our environment to .99 human-optimal (which is pretty well approximated by the phrase “solving all problems”) and thereby create, say, a pervasive and crippling sense of ennui that it can’t yet resolve (which would constitute a “problem”). There’s no contradiction in that scenario; the illusion of contradiction is created entirely by the sloppiness of language.
I don’t think I follow; if the environment is .99 human-optimal, then that remaining .01 gap implies that there are some problems remain to be solved, however few or minor, right?
It might simply be impossible to solve all problems, because of conflicting dependencies.
Yes, I agree that the remaining .01 gap represents problems that remain to be solved, which implies that “solving all problems” doesn’t literally apply to that scenario. If you’re suggesting that therefore such a scenario isn’t well-enough approximated by the phrase “solving all problems” to justify the phrase’s use, we have different understandings of the level of justification required.
I agree with you that we shouldn’t assume that finding meaningful activities for people to engage in as we progress is impossible. Not least of which because I think it is possible.
Actually, I’d say something stronger: I think right now we suck as a species at understanding what sorts of activities are meaningful and how to build a social infrastructure that creates such activities, and that we are suffering for the lack of it (and have done for millenia), and that we are just starting to develop tools with which to engage with this problem efficiently. In a few generations we might really see some progress in this area.
Nevertheless, I suspect that an argument of the form “lack of meaningful activity due to the solving of all problems is a logical contradiction, because such a lack of meaningful activity would then be an unsolved problem” is just playing with words, because the supposed contradiction is due entirely to the fact that the word “problem” means subtly different things in its two uses in that sentence.
Can you explain what those two meanings are?
I don’t mean anything deep by it, just that for example a system might be able to optimize our environment to .99 human-optimal (which is pretty well approximated by the phrase “solving all problems”) and thereby create, say, a pervasive and crippling sense of ennui that it can’t yet resolve (which would constitute a “problem”). There’s no contradiction in that scenario; the illusion of contradiction is created entirely by the sloppiness of language.
I don’t think I follow; if the environment is .99 human-optimal, then that remaining .01 gap implies that there are some problems remain to be solved, however few or minor, right?
It might simply be impossible to solve all problems, because of conflicting dependencies.
Yes, I agree that the remaining .01 gap represents problems that remain to be solved, which implies that “solving all problems” doesn’t literally apply to that scenario. If you’re suggesting that therefore such a scenario isn’t well-enough approximated by the phrase “solving all problems” to justify the phrase’s use, we have different understandings of the level of justification required.