Seeing as C. elegans lacks the neural structure to think objectively or have emotions, existing at all is the utopia for them. If we changed the worms enough to enable them to “enjoy” a utopia, they would no longer be what we started with. Would this be different with humans? To make us able to not get bored with our new utopia, we’d need different neural architecture, as well, which would, again, miss the point of a utopia for “us-now” humans.
If we want a FAI to create CEV, it wouldn’t be one for us-now. If we aren’t making a CEV for ourselves, why not just make a utopia for the FAI?
No. The point of utopia is that it is what we would want and not get bored with. CEV attempts to solve the problem of finding out what we would want, and not just what our current incoherent stated values are.
“Enjoy” is a human (or at least higher vertebrate) concept. Trying to squeeze the worm into that mold will of course not work.
Also, it’s worth noting that if you take just the brain of a human, you are getting most of the interesting parts of the system. The same cannot be said of the worm, you might as well take the heart and extrapolate its volition if you aren’t going to work with the whole thing.
I understand the abstract concept that you are endorsing, but the way that human brains work would not allow a utopia in the sense that you describe. Heaven would become boring; Hell would become bearable. If the perfect place for humans is one where wonderful things happen, then horrible things happen, well, coincidentally, that sounds a lot like Earth. Simulated Reality FTW?
Seeing as C. elegans lacks the neural structure to think objectively or have emotions, existing at all is the utopia for them. If we changed the worms enough to enable them to “enjoy” a utopia, they would no longer be what we started with. Would this be different with humans? To make us able to not get bored with our new utopia, we’d need different neural architecture, as well, which would, again, miss the point of a utopia for “us-now” humans.
If we want a FAI to create CEV, it wouldn’t be one for us-now. If we aren’t making a CEV for ourselves, why not just make a utopia for the FAI?
No. The point of utopia is that it is what we would want and not get bored with. CEV attempts to solve the problem of finding out what we would want, and not just what our current incoherent stated values are.
“Enjoy” is a human (or at least higher vertebrate) concept. Trying to squeeze the worm into that mold will of course not work.
Also, it’s worth noting that if you take just the brain of a human, you are getting most of the interesting parts of the system. The same cannot be said of the worm, you might as well take the heart and extrapolate its volition if you aren’t going to work with the whole thing.
I understand the abstract concept that you are endorsing, but the way that human brains work would not allow a utopia in the sense that you describe. Heaven would become boring; Hell would become bearable. If the perfect place for humans is one where wonderful things happen, then horrible things happen, well, coincidentally, that sounds a lot like Earth. Simulated Reality FTW?