No, I don’t want Less Wrong to turn into the Onion or the Daily Show. I enjoy reading the Onion sometimes, but it would be a waste to turn Less Wrong into that.
Criticizing leaders is fine though (although SBF isn’t one here, as far as I know).
Erm, I didn’t claim to want to ‘turn Lesswrong into the Onion and Daily Show’ - that is a mis-characterization of my argument. I referred to the arguments made by the Onion, in defense of satire, and I mentioned the criticism of the Daily Show only as a case of silencing critique. Neither implies what you claimed. I hope you can admit that; I am repeatedly strawmanned by supposed rationalists who claim ‘scouts mindset’, while output here is far below the standard of the philosophy message board I helped to moderate in the 90s; your mischaracterization does not help your argument.
Important to recognize here: your claim that ‘including Anthony’s poem’ slips and slides all the way, automatically, toward ‘Lesswrong is now the Onion’ --> that’s called a Slippery Slope Fallacy.
When someone uses a fallacy, that means one of two things:
Either you hoped to fool me, which is malicious
Or you were fooled yourself, which means you should probably work on thinking clearly.
Downvoting posts because you don’t want to see more posts like them is how vote-based moderation works. It’s not a fallacy to discourage behavior that you want to see less of.
Yes, that is correct—downvoting is to discourage unwanted behavior, and downvoting is not a fallacy.
What IS a fallacy: ‘including Anthony’s poem will turn Lesswrong into the Onion’. That is called the Slippery Slope fallacy. It can just as easily be the case that Lesswrong downvotes me so thoroughly, no future aberration would dare raise their heads, and Lesswrong becomes even more what differentiates it from the Onion. You used a slippery slope fallacy, and you also mischaracterized my statement, when you said: “I don’t want Less Wrong to turn into the Onion or the Daily Show.” I specifically was not advocating to turn Lesswrong into the Onion; I mentioned the brief the Onion wrote in defense of parody and satire. That is not the same as advocating that Lesswrong be Onion.
So, you are still unwilling to admit that you mischaracterized me, and that you used a slippery slope fallacy. Instead, you deflected to a true-but-irrelevant point, and you try to imply that I argued “downvoting is a fallacy” when I did not. Your behavior does not bode well for your community—none of them notice or speak up.
No, I don’t want Less Wrong to turn into the Onion or the Daily Show. I enjoy reading the Onion sometimes, but it would be a waste to turn Less Wrong into that.
Criticizing leaders is fine though (although SBF isn’t one here, as far as I know).
Erm, I didn’t claim to want to ‘turn Lesswrong into the Onion and Daily Show’ - that is a mis-characterization of my argument. I referred to the arguments made by the Onion, in defense of satire, and I mentioned the criticism of the Daily Show only as a case of silencing critique. Neither implies what you claimed. I hope you can admit that; I am repeatedly strawmanned by supposed rationalists who claim ‘scouts mindset’, while output here is far below the standard of the philosophy message board I helped to moderate in the 90s; your mischaracterization does not help your argument.
Important to recognize here: your claim that ‘including Anthony’s poem’ slips and slides all the way, automatically, toward ‘Lesswrong is now the Onion’ --> that’s called a Slippery Slope Fallacy.
When someone uses a fallacy, that means one of two things:
Either you hoped to fool me, which is malicious
Or you were fooled yourself, which means you should probably work on thinking clearly.
Downvoting posts because you don’t want to see more posts like them is how vote-based moderation works. It’s not a fallacy to discourage behavior that you want to see less of.
Yes, that is correct—downvoting is to discourage unwanted behavior, and downvoting is not a fallacy.
What IS a fallacy: ‘including Anthony’s poem will turn Lesswrong into the Onion’. That is called the Slippery Slope fallacy. It can just as easily be the case that Lesswrong downvotes me so thoroughly, no future aberration would dare raise their heads, and Lesswrong becomes even more what differentiates it from the Onion. You used a slippery slope fallacy, and you also mischaracterized my statement, when you said: “I don’t want Less Wrong to turn into the Onion or the Daily Show.” I specifically was not advocating to turn Lesswrong into the Onion; I mentioned the brief the Onion wrote in defense of parody and satire. That is not the same as advocating that Lesswrong be Onion.
So, you are still unwilling to admit that you mischaracterized me, and that you used a slippery slope fallacy. Instead, you deflected to a true-but-irrelevant point, and you try to imply that I argued “downvoting is a fallacy” when I did not. Your behavior does not bode well for your community—none of them notice or speak up.