If the Celestial Psychopath is also a Utility Monster and gets a lot of utility from your torture, why not?
EDIT: This is more or less the official theological explanation. God’s utility function is infinitely bigger than human’s, therefore torturing a human eternally even for the smallest offense against God is fair. Of course there are some applause lights on the top of that.
This is to some extent a rephrase of some specific Christian apologetic justifications. Note that not all religions which have such a deity which tortures people for eternity. For example most forms of Judaism and some forms of Christianity and Islam believe in at most finite punishment in the afterlife.
Yes, the man of straw made of a thousand years and more of the dogma of hell, and the majority of monotheists still. That’s the reality of monotheism.
Smart, compared to a lot of his brethren, who also are one chromosome away from a chimpanzee. Do you plan on spending your life reading the smart astrologers? Me neither.
The majority of monotheists are stupid. How good would their opinion be on an easily verifiable topic?
If you ask stupid monotheists about evolution, they would tell you garbage. If you ask them about God, they would tell you garbage too. You shouldn’t update much in either case, even if they believe one but not the other. If you want to be an atheist, you steelman theism first.
The original statement was about God, not Thor. I can’t think of anything I particularly have against Thor, besides being a tiresome, pompous ass in Marvel comics. In an honest reading of the bible, God is a sadistic psychopath.
There are more or less horrific gods. I wasn’t responding to a statement about a god who grants wishes and poops happiness gum drops, and I see no point in engaging in wishful thinking about what the bestest and shiniest god could be.
Life would be better if God existed.
Which god?
Charitable interpretation: an ontologically fundamental Friendly AI
How can something be fundamental and artificial?
Maybe drop its being artificial? The post makes more sense that way.
Creates a new universe for which it is fundamental.
Like J K Rowling is Harry Potter’s God? That waters down the meaning of fundamental.
Like JK Rowling would be Harry Potter’s God if she wrote herself into the books as god.
If only there was a Celestial Pyschopath to torture me eternally.
If the Celestial Psychopath is also a Utility Monster and gets a lot of utility from your torture, why not?
EDIT: This is more or less the official theological explanation. God’s utility function is infinitely bigger than human’s, therefore torturing a human eternally even for the smallest offense against God is fair. Of course there are some applause lights on the top of that.
This is to some extent a rephrase of some specific Christian apologetic justifications. Note that not all religions which have such a deity which tortures people for eternity. For example most forms of Judaism and some forms of Christianity and Islam believe in at most finite punishment in the afterlife.
You should read smart theists for a different perspective (e.g. C. S. Lewis).
Full disclosure: I don’t like C. S. Lewis, but you are laughing at a man of straw, it’s like mocking science based on crackpots.
Yes, the man of straw made of a thousand years and more of the dogma of hell, and the majority of monotheists still. That’s the reality of monotheism.
Smart, compared to a lot of his brethren, who also are one chromosome away from a chimpanzee. Do you plan on spending your life reading the smart astrologers? Me neither.
The majority of monotheists are stupid. How good would their opinion be on an easily verifiable topic?
If you ask stupid monotheists about evolution, they would tell you garbage. If you ask them about God, they would tell you garbage too. You shouldn’t update much in either case, even if they believe one but not the other. If you want to be an atheist, you steelman theism first.
The original statement was about God, not Thor. I can’t think of anything I particularly have against Thor, besides being a tiresome, pompous ass in Marvel comics. In an honest reading of the bible, God is a sadistic psychopath.
There are more or less horrific gods. I wasn’t responding to a statement about a god who grants wishes and poops happiness gum drops, and I see no point in engaging in wishful thinking about what the bestest and shiniest god could be.
he did say life, not afterlife.
Is afterlife the “life after”, like the after party? Your eternal life, as opposed to your mortal life?
No matter how you slice it, I don’t see improvement in this life from the existence of God as portrayed in the Bible (or Allah in the Koran).
I don’t think that’s taboo in any sense, but I think life would be better with a superpowerful, ultra-benevolent God.
Depending on who you’re talking to, it may also be taboo to suggest God doesn’t already exist. Or even that life could be better.