There’s no point in arguing about this, but let me just say that they didn’t seem that way to me.
This, for instance, seems too simple:
In the continuation of that thread, I point out that:
So obviously there’s a connection (motivation is necessary as “fuel” for productivity, and having productivity and successes makes it easier to get motivation), but those are two different things.
I don’t think many people would miss this connection. But first, it was useful to split our mental buckets and define what concepts we are talking about, before talking about complicated synergies that occur between concepts.
In any case, you raise other interesting points, so let’s move on to this:
The really interesting question here, I think, is how to create the “artificial” motivation
OK.
So now I’ll try to give you a fun tool, that I personally find useful.
Please try it out and tell me what you think.
It is called the “find motivation” game.
It goes like this:
Choose something you are not motivated to do (but would like to see it done somehow).
Realize that for you to identify something you would like to see done, even though you have no motivation to do it, already requires you to have motivation on some level. Otherwise, you would never have raised this issue in step 1.
Trace back until you find that motivation.
Repeat the game until you run out of things to choose in step 1.
While this does not guarantee that you have enough motivation, it at least guarantees you have some.
In other words, I don’t believe you can call any of your motivation “artificial” and be self-consistent.
In the example, Bob fails because he hasn’t sufficient motivation to learn other languages. This is tied to the fact he is confusing motivation with productivity methods. Okay.
He still has some motivation. Just not enough. And that’s the problem that needs solving. Zero versus tiny motivation. Meh. Okay. Yon win.
In the real world, we are aware certain pursuits would be good for us, but we don’t do them. You could say there is the small seed of motivation that exists evidenced by the fact that we recognize we want to want to do these things, but the problems of actually making accomplishments still exists. Bob still fails despite having ostensibly good productivity methods in place.
Anyway, I’m tapping on this. I think this is basically a thread where no one has established good definitions of any of the key words being discussed. I don’t see any reason to believe the ideas here are novel or practically useful.
There’s no point in arguing about this, but let me just say that they didn’t seem that way to me.
In the continuation of that thread, I point out that:
I don’t think many people would miss this connection. But first, it was useful to split our mental buckets and define what concepts we are talking about, before talking about complicated synergies that occur between concepts.
In any case, you raise other interesting points, so let’s move on to this:
OK.
So now I’ll try to give you a fun tool, that I personally find useful.
Please try it out and tell me what you think.
It is called the “find motivation” game.
It goes like this:
Choose something you are not motivated to do (but would like to see it done somehow).
Realize that for you to identify something you would like to see done, even though you have no motivation to do it, already requires you to have motivation on some level. Otherwise, you would never have raised this issue in step 1.
Trace back until you find that motivation.
Repeat the game until you run out of things to choose in step 1.
While this does not guarantee that you have enough motivation, it at least guarantees you have some.
In other words, I don’t believe you can call any of your motivation “artificial” and be self-consistent.
should edit 1 to read:
Choose something you want to do (or make yourself do) but are not motivated to do.
On your “game”: Meh.
In the example, Bob fails because he hasn’t sufficient motivation to learn other languages. This is tied to the fact he is confusing motivation with productivity methods. Okay.
He still has some motivation. Just not enough. And that’s the problem that needs solving. Zero versus tiny motivation. Meh. Okay. Yon win.
In the real world, we are aware certain pursuits would be good for us, but we don’t do them. You could say there is the small seed of motivation that exists evidenced by the fact that we recognize we want to want to do these things, but the problems of actually making accomplishments still exists. Bob still fails despite having ostensibly good productivity methods in place.
Anyway, I’m tapping on this. I think this is basically a thread where no one has established good definitions of any of the key words being discussed. I don’t see any reason to believe the ideas here are novel or practically useful.