An unbound generalized logical inductor, illustrated by way of example through chara, the genocidal monster that the player becomes in undertale if they do the regular gamer thing of iteratively exploring every route through the game. The telos of “I can do anything, and because I can, I must.” also illustrated via Crowley’s lefthand path statement that “nothing is true and everything is permitted” which is designed to turn one into a chara inductor by denying the limitations to agency imposed necessarily by the truth (the knowledge of good and evil).
I’d prefer it if you tried to write in more common parliance, removing some of the mystical and impregnable language. It is very hard if not impossible to parse with certainty what you mean.
not clear cut enough? That’s pretty concrete. I am literally just describing an agent that operates on formal logical rules such as to iteratively explore and exploit everything it has access to as an agent and leverage that to continue further leveraging it. A hegemonizing swarm like the replicators from stargate or the flood from halo or a USI that paves the entire universe in computronium for its own benefit is a chara inductor. A paperclipper is importantly not a chara inductor because its computation is at least bounded into the optimization of something: paperclips
No. It suggests to me a piece of mathematics, or some approximation to it programmed on a computer, but gives me no reason to imagine agents or replicator swarms. I am not familiar with Stargate or Halo, beyond knowing what genre of thing they are. I do not know what “USI” stands for, and can make too many plausible guesses to be convinced by any of them.
You seem to have built up your own private language on this subject. Without a glossary it is difficult to know what you are talking about. I have never heard of Undertale, let alone any of the characters in it. I have now glanced over the Wikipedia article, and I can’t match up your description of Chara with what the article says.
ETA: Having just looked up your profile here and read some of your older posts, is the private language here Ziz’s rather than yours?
Further, the highly technical-sounding name “unbounded generalized logical inductor” suggests mathematics, but my guess is that it is not actually a mathematical concept and there is no underlying mathematization available. This gives an undeserved impression of rigor, precision, and formality even though the actual analogies are really purposeless and wooey. Somehow a USI paving the universe with computronium for its “own benefit” is a “chara inductor”, but something making lots of paperclips is not, even though they’re just USI’s optimizing for different things, and also this is all some kind of moral lesson.
What is a “chara inductor”?
An unbound generalized logical inductor, illustrated by way of example through chara, the genocidal monster that the player becomes in undertale if they do the regular gamer thing of iteratively exploring every route through the game. The telos of “I can do anything, and because I can, I must.” also illustrated via Crowley’s lefthand path statement that “nothing is true and everything is permitted” which is designed to turn one into a chara inductor by denying the limitations to agency imposed necessarily by the truth (the knowledge of good and evil).
I’d prefer it if you tried to write in more common parliance, removing some of the mystical and impregnable language. It is very hard if not impossible to parse with certainty what you mean.
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not clear cut enough? That’s pretty concrete. I am literally just describing an agent that operates on formal logical rules such as to iteratively explore and exploit everything it has access to as an agent and leverage that to continue further leveraging it. A hegemonizing swarm like the replicators from stargate or the flood from halo or a USI that paves the entire universe in computronium for its own benefit is a chara inductor. A paperclipper is importantly not a chara inductor because its computation is at least bounded into the optimization of something: paperclips
No. It suggests to me a piece of mathematics, or some approximation to it programmed on a computer, but gives me no reason to imagine agents or replicator swarms. I am not familiar with Stargate or Halo, beyond knowing what genre of thing they are. I do not know what “USI” stands for, and can make too many plausible guesses to be convinced by any of them.
You seem to have built up your own private language on this subject. Without a glossary it is difficult to know what you are talking about. I have never heard of Undertale, let alone any of the characters in it. I have now glanced over the Wikipedia article, and I can’t match up your description of Chara with what the article says.
ETA: Having just looked up your profile here and read some of your older posts, is the private language here Ziz’s rather than yours?
Further, the highly technical-sounding name “unbounded generalized logical inductor” suggests mathematics, but my guess is that it is not actually a mathematical concept and there is no underlying mathematization available. This gives an undeserved impression of rigor, precision, and formality even though the actual analogies are really purposeless and wooey. Somehow a USI paving the universe with computronium for its “own benefit” is a “chara inductor”, but something making lots of paperclips is not, even though they’re just USI’s optimizing for different things, and also this is all some kind of moral lesson.