Where can I learn more of the frontier thought on schizophrenia? The most compelling theory I’ve heard is a failure to realize one’s internal monologue is one’s own, manifested as “hearing voices.” However, if I lost that feedback loop and began hearing my thoughts as externally produced, I’d immediately think, “uh oh, schizophrenia” yet this absolutely isn’t the case for schizophrenics. What model offers an explanation as to why I’d begin to hear voices yet still maintain I’m not schizophrenic despite that being, to me, an obvious, known symptom?
Don’t really know anything about this subject, but your comment has gone unanswered for 15 days, so I’ll offer some wild speculation.
What model offers an explanation as to why I’d begin to hear voices yet still maintain I’m not schizophrenic despite that being, to me, an obvious, known symptom?
Well, 1) maybe you wouldn’t. Maybe the experience of hearing voices is really compelling, and people by default trust their own senses over a more outside-view perspective. But maybe if you think it through ahead of time and know what to look for you could avoid getting swept away in the delusions. (Though it sounds like it might be pretty exhausting if your mind keeps offering up new, misleading sense data.)
2) Maybe schizophrenia only happens when more goes wrong than just hearing your verbal loop as external. Maybe something about your normal reasoning process is necessarily disrupted at the same time. Or maybe the two are independent, but people who have just the externalized verbal loop or just the reasoning process disruption don’t end up diagnosed as schizophrenics. (Though in that case, where are all the people with an externalized verbal loop who are otherwise normal? Or is that secretly a common thing and I just don’t know it?)
So, there’s a couple thoughts. I hope my unfounded speculation has been helpful :-)
In general the concept of frontier thought seems very unclear to me. The ideas you will hear will depend a lot on the community of people you talk to. If you talk to people who create drugs they will likely tell you that the problem is due to brain chemistry.
The Esalen community had a Schizophrenia Research Project where they made a long-term study (time-frames longer then normal drug studies) that found that the drugs prevent people from naturally healing their schizophrenia.
Steven Andreas claims that Schizophrenia is a downstream effect of having a self concept build based on a lot of “not-X” statements.
Yoga folks tell you it’s a malfunctioning solar plexus chakra. With the new ICD codes that might be officially diagnosable, so it’s frontier thought.
Where can I learn more of the frontier thought on schizophrenia? The most compelling theory I’ve heard is a failure to realize one’s internal monologue is one’s own, manifested as “hearing voices.” However, if I lost that feedback loop and began hearing my thoughts as externally produced, I’d immediately think, “uh oh, schizophrenia” yet this absolutely isn’t the case for schizophrenics. What model offers an explanation as to why I’d begin to hear voices yet still maintain I’m not schizophrenic despite that being, to me, an obvious, known symptom?
Don’t really know anything about this subject, but your comment has gone unanswered for 15 days, so I’ll offer some wild speculation.
Well, 1) maybe you wouldn’t. Maybe the experience of hearing voices is really compelling, and people by default trust their own senses over a more outside-view perspective. But maybe if you think it through ahead of time and know what to look for you could avoid getting swept away in the delusions. (Though it sounds like it might be pretty exhausting if your mind keeps offering up new, misleading sense data.)
2) Maybe schizophrenia only happens when more goes wrong than just hearing your verbal loop as external. Maybe something about your normal reasoning process is necessarily disrupted at the same time. Or maybe the two are independent, but people who have just the externalized verbal loop or just the reasoning process disruption don’t end up diagnosed as schizophrenics. (Though in that case, where are all the people with an externalized verbal loop who are otherwise normal? Or is that secretly a common thing and I just don’t know it?)
So, there’s a couple thoughts. I hope my unfounded speculation has been helpful :-)
It’s just one symptom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_and_Negative_Syndrome_Scale is an example of a scale to measure schizophrenia that gets used by actual psychiatrists.
In general the concept of frontier thought seems very unclear to me. The ideas you will hear will depend a lot on the community of people you talk to. If you talk to people who create drugs they will likely tell you that the problem is due to brain chemistry.
The Esalen community had a Schizophrenia Research Project where they made a long-term study (time-frames longer then normal drug studies) that found that the drugs prevent people from naturally healing their schizophrenia.
Steven Andreas claims that Schizophrenia is a downstream effect of having a self concept build based on a lot of “not-X” statements.
Yoga folks tell you it’s a malfunctioning solar plexus chakra. With the new ICD codes that might be officially diagnosable, so it’s frontier thought.