Harry Frankfurt’s On Bullshitseems relevant here. I think its worth trying to incorporate Frankfurt’s definition as well, as it is quite widely known, see e.g. this video—If you were to do so, I think you would say that on Frankfurt’s definition, Level 1 tells the truth, Level 2 lies, Level 3 bullshits about physical facts but will lie or tell the truth about things in the social realm (e.g. others motives, your own affiliation), and Level 4 always bullshits.
Taken this way, Frankfurt’s model is a higher-level model that distinguishes the ones who care about reality from the ones that don’t—roughly speaking, bullshit characterises levels 3 and 4 as the ones unconcerned with reality.
If you did it on the diagram, the union of 3 and 4 would be bullshitters, but shading more strongly towards the 4 end.
I like this. so instead of having the politician role and the politics ‘theme’, both for L3+L4, we can have the bullshitter role and the politics theme.
i think your L1 (honestly telling the truth) and L2 (Lies) are good. and i think i would slightly reword L3 as bullshitting while pretending not to bullshit, and L4 as bullshitting without even pretending.
and oh! that gives me a unifying theme for L1 and L4, not pretending! (or at least not needing to) it’s not an optimistic one, but alas it’s a connection.
Thanks for the video btw. i Also should really read his essay already :D
Harry Frankfurt’s On Bullshit seems relevant here. I think its worth trying to incorporate Frankfurt’s definition as well, as it is quite widely known, see e.g. this video—If you were to do so, I think you would say that on Frankfurt’s definition, Level 1 tells the truth, Level 2 lies, Level 3 bullshits about physical facts but will lie or tell the truth about things in the social realm (e.g. others motives, your own affiliation), and Level 4 always bullshits.
Taken this way, Frankfurt’s model is a higher-level model that distinguishes the ones who care about reality from the ones that don’t—roughly speaking, bullshit characterises levels 3 and 4 as the ones unconcerned with reality.
If you did it on the diagram, the union of 3 and 4 would be bullshitters, but shading more strongly towards the 4 end.
I like this. so instead of having the politician role and the politics ‘theme’, both for L3+L4, we can have the bullshitter role and the politics theme.
i think your L1 (honestly telling the truth) and L2 (Lies) are good. and i think i would slightly reword L3 as bullshitting while pretending not to bullshit, and L4 as bullshitting without even pretending.
and oh! that gives me a unifying theme for L1 and L4, not pretending! (or at least not needing to)
it’s not an optimistic one, but alas it’s a connection.
Thanks for the video btw. i Also should really read his essay already :D