Not at all to be honest, in as much as they were already accounted for. A strict proportionate force policy is naive and gives worse outcomes as well as worse incentives for potential defectors. The best degree of response is situational and it would be worse for even the tribe if everyone was limited to only proportionate responses.
While the ‘best’ degree of response may be situational; I’ve been trying to look for responses which may not be best, but which, as cached thoughts, may provide a better response than could be thought of in situations with limited time to think.
May I ask what reasoning you’re basing your preference of the ZAP to proportional response on, or perhaps for some explicit examples of situations which you’re using which demonstrate the ZAP’s superiority?
May I ask what reasoning you’re basing your preference of the ZAP to proportional response on, or perhaps for some explicit examples of situations which you’re using which demonstrate the ZAP’s superiority?
A few points:
People doing violence against me bad.
Expectation of violence done upon them in retaliation makes people less likely to do violence to me.
Sometimes expectation of greater amounts of violence is more disincentive.
Less violence done against me good.
People who initiate violence against me (or anyone I would prefer violence done against) sacrifice their rights to a corresponding, greater than directly linear degree. Refraining from extreme force against them is done for practical reasons, not ethical ones.
It is not always possible or practical to give a proportionate response. If, when it is possible to respond, that response is artificially capped at ‘proportionate’ the expected retaliation is less than the original attack. If the game is sufficiently close to zero sum that means the other has an incentive to attack.
Crippled enemies or rivals are not a threat. Bitter rivals are a significant ongoing threat.
Out of curiosity, do the points raised in the message I quoted in http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/cu8/seeking_ethical_rulesofthumb_for_comparison/6qrj significantly affect your estimate of how likely it is that proportional force is a better rule-of-thumb than the ZAP?
Not at all to be honest, in as much as they were already accounted for. A strict proportionate force policy is naive and gives worse outcomes as well as worse incentives for potential defectors. The best degree of response is situational and it would be worse for even the tribe if everyone was limited to only proportionate responses.
While the ‘best’ degree of response may be situational; I’ve been trying to look for responses which may not be best, but which, as cached thoughts, may provide a better response than could be thought of in situations with limited time to think.
May I ask what reasoning you’re basing your preference of the ZAP to proportional response on, or perhaps for some explicit examples of situations which you’re using which demonstrate the ZAP’s superiority?
A few points:
People doing violence against me bad.
Expectation of violence done upon them in retaliation makes people less likely to do violence to me.
Sometimes expectation of greater amounts of violence is more disincentive.
Less violence done against me good.
People who initiate violence against me (or anyone I would prefer violence done against) sacrifice their rights to a corresponding, greater than directly linear degree. Refraining from extreme force against them is done for practical reasons, not ethical ones.
It is not always possible or practical to give a proportionate response. If, when it is possible to respond, that response is artificially capped at ‘proportionate’ the expected retaliation is less than the original attack. If the game is sufficiently close to zero sum that means the other has an incentive to attack.
Crippled enemies or rivals are not a threat. Bitter rivals are a significant ongoing threat.