My argument included disclaimers that you evidently missed.
The grandparent was concerned only with the reasoning structure of “X sufficiently important → Y (which helps in bringing about X) is good advice” being too fully general, without going into specific X’s or Y’s other than as examples. So your “(I’m not myself advocating or opposing either potential pieces of advice.)” did not apply. I don’t see any other relevant disclaimers.
You provide an argument for how “do not marry” could be derived from “do not divorce”. Without endorsing either of those claims, you still presumably endorse the reasoning mechanism you yourself introduced.
The structure of the argument you provide is “if X is sufficiently important then Y (which helps in bringing about X) is good advice” (ceteris paribus).
I show you why the above reasoning structure that you used is too general by showing how it would equally prop up e.g. the “not eating marmalade sufficiently important” → “suicide as the surest way to avoid eating marmalade” step. Using your very own argument; which you apparently accept in one case, yet reject in the other.
Now, I’m glad you agree that an application of the very same kind of reasoning you provided just as easily leads to “utterly absurd” claims, as made evident by checking it against border cases.
Why then do you still defend its use in your initial comment?
Concerning the “all else being equal”, you evidently missed the ”… while keeping all the myriad other goals constant”. I’m sure you appreciate the irony.
The grandparent was concerned only with the reasoning structure of “X sufficiently important → Y (which helps in bringing about X) is good advice” being too fully general, without going into specific X’s or Y’s other than as examples. So your “(I’m not myself advocating or opposing either potential pieces of advice.)” did not apply. I don’t see any other relevant disclaimers.
All else being equal. It is incompatible with your interpretation which talks about utterly absurd “fully general” claims which I do not make.
You provide an argument for how “do not marry” could be derived from “do not divorce”. Without endorsing either of those claims, you still presumably endorse the reasoning mechanism you yourself introduced.
The structure of the argument you provide is “if X is sufficiently important then Y (which helps in bringing about X) is good advice” (ceteris paribus).
I show you why the above reasoning structure that you used is too general by showing how it would equally prop up e.g. the “not eating marmalade sufficiently important” → “suicide as the surest way to avoid eating marmalade” step. Using your very own argument; which you apparently accept in one case, yet reject in the other.
Now, I’m glad you agree that an application of the very same kind of reasoning you provided just as easily leads to “utterly absurd” claims, as made evident by checking it against border cases.
Why then do you still defend its use in your initial comment?
Concerning the “all else being equal”, you evidently missed the ”… while keeping all the myriad other goals constant”. I’m sure you appreciate the irony.
Let’s go back to DEFCON 5 now.
I reject any particular relationship between my words and that which you are arguing against.
The style of reasoning and argument used is not one which I choose to engage with further at this time.