Oh right, the whole world doesn’t have education as a right.
It does apply also to start of school. It is about developmentally appropriate environments. Schools are supposed to be where that can be a high objective. Keeping up skill development in work is rather hit and miss and can be quite narrow for profitability increasement.
That both destroy magic doesn’t mean the destruction is it to the same degree. And school has its own magic. Jobs tend to have way less magic of their own.
“Oh right, the whole world doesn’t have education as a right.”
Are you trying to argue from existing law to moral or practical value? That would be easier if the whole world hadn’t had slavery and monarchy until fairly recently.
“That both destroy magic doesn’t mean the destruction is it to the same degree.”
That’s a good point. But jobs ideally produce value. School often doesn’t, and “learning” in a toxic setting specifically makes it harder to learn later. That’s a harm specific to school; most jobs do not have it.
“And school has its own magic. Jobs tend to have way less magic of their own.”
I’m glad it was magical for you. That’s far from universal. The largest problem with schooling is the compulsion. If you enjoyed it or benefited from it, well and good. But those who didn’t should not have been forced into it. The alternative to compulsory schooling doesn’t have to be no option to go, it can be letting people choose.
Oh right, the whole world doesn’t have education as a right.
Are you trying to argue from existing law to moral or practical value? That would be easier if the whole world hadn’t had slavery and monarchy until fairly recently.
My tone is bad and inappropriate especially in this contex. What I actually mean or should have meant is that “parents lose money” is not really descriptive of my local reality and I have trouble taking on that perspective. Trying to imagine a counterfactual what would have needed to be different to not have universal education starts to baffle me a little. My brains come up with questions like “Do people in this world have to pay the police if they call them to protect from gunmen?” which are more obviously out of touch what I know to be the case. The money loss is a facet of some corners of reality. I am familiar with the organization where teachers are first accountable to society or state rather than accountable through parents. So “What are we paying you for?” has two sides to it that I am extremely unfamiliar with.
What I am used to is that the public option is mostly appropriate, so children and parents are not constantly trying to escape it. Keeping “study duty” firm has for me the most important role that a parent while having large custodial rights may not fail to educate their kid. Alternative venues are fine but they can’t be shambles, they must be worthy of the dignity of the progeny of civilization (so need to pass goverment checks). So if private schools are a large part of the equation why are not parents using the customisability if they are going the hard route anyway? If students are suffering why are the parents not advocating for their kids needs? Is it because the solutions exist but are paywalled and some that need them can not get them? How come the public options gets a pass for maleducating a significant stream of citizens? Is this some kind of thing where the most prestigious places are prestigious because they are harsh (and failures are because of students and not schools) and thus misery is a sign of status?
But jobs ideally produce value. School often doesn’t,
The word “value” has so different meaning in job context and school context that I am not confident on which idea this expresses and can’t really follow.
In general I am very interested in finding out and rooting out bad schooling whereever it might be. But I think it might be appropriate to talk about specific schoolings rather than the abstract idea of schooling in general.
Oh right, the whole world doesn’t have education as a right.
It does apply also to start of school. It is about developmentally appropriate environments. Schools are supposed to be where that can be a high objective. Keeping up skill development in work is rather hit and miss and can be quite narrow for profitability increasement.
That both destroy magic doesn’t mean the destruction is it to the same degree. And school has its own magic. Jobs tend to have way less magic of their own.
“Oh right, the whole world doesn’t have education as a right.”
Are you trying to argue from existing law to moral or practical value? That would be easier if the whole world hadn’t had slavery and monarchy until fairly recently.
“That both destroy magic doesn’t mean the destruction is it to the same degree.”
That’s a good point. But jobs ideally produce value. School often doesn’t, and “learning” in a toxic setting specifically makes it harder to learn later. That’s a harm specific to school; most jobs do not have it.
“And school has its own magic. Jobs tend to have way less magic of their own.”
I’m glad it was magical for you. That’s far from universal. The largest problem with schooling is the compulsion. If you enjoyed it or benefited from it, well and good. But those who didn’t should not have been forced into it. The alternative to compulsory schooling doesn’t have to be no option to go, it can be letting people choose.
My tone is bad and inappropriate especially in this contex. What I actually mean or should have meant is that “parents lose money” is not really descriptive of my local reality and I have trouble taking on that perspective. Trying to imagine a counterfactual what would have needed to be different to not have universal education starts to baffle me a little. My brains come up with questions like “Do people in this world have to pay the police if they call them to protect from gunmen?” which are more obviously out of touch what I know to be the case. The money loss is a facet of some corners of reality. I am familiar with the organization where teachers are first accountable to society or state rather than accountable through parents. So “What are we paying you for?” has two sides to it that I am extremely unfamiliar with.
What I am used to is that the public option is mostly appropriate, so children and parents are not constantly trying to escape it. Keeping “study duty” firm has for me the most important role that a parent while having large custodial rights may not fail to educate their kid. Alternative venues are fine but they can’t be shambles, they must be worthy of the dignity of the progeny of civilization (so need to pass goverment checks). So if private schools are a large part of the equation why are not parents using the customisability if they are going the hard route anyway? If students are suffering why are the parents not advocating for their kids needs? Is it because the solutions exist but are paywalled and some that need them can not get them? How come the public options gets a pass for maleducating a significant stream of citizens? Is this some kind of thing where the most prestigious places are prestigious because they are harsh (and failures are because of students and not schools) and thus misery is a sign of status?
The word “value” has so different meaning in job context and school context that I am not confident on which idea this expresses and can’t really follow.
In general I am very interested in finding out and rooting out bad schooling whereever it might be. But I think it might be appropriate to talk about specific schoolings rather than the abstract idea of schooling in general.