I think you need legible rules for norms to scale in an adversarial game, so it can’t be direct utility threshold based rules.
Proportionality is harder to make legible, but when lies are directed at political allies that’s clear friendly fire or betrayl. Lying to the general public also shouldn’t fly, that’s indiscriminate.
I really don’t think lying and censorship is going to help with climate change. We already have publication bias and hype on one side, and corporate lobbying + other lies on the other. You probably have to take another approach to get trust/credibility when joining the fray so late. If there were greater honesty and accuracy we’d have invested more in nuclear power a long time ago, but now that other renewable tech has descended the learning curve faster different options make sense going forward. In the Cold War, anti-nuclear movements generally got a bit hijacked by communists trying to make the U.S. weaker and to shift focus from mutual to unilateral action… there’s a lot of bad stuff influenced by lies in distant past that constrain options in the future. I guess it would be interesting to see what deception campaigns in history are the most widely considered good and successful after the fact. I assume most are ones with respect to war, such as ally deception about the D-Day landings.
Fair points. Upon reflection, I would probably want to know in advance that the Dark Arts intervention was going to work before authorizing it, and we’re not going to get that level of certainty short of an FAI anyway, so maybe it’s a moot point.
I think you need legible rules for norms to scale in an adversarial game, so it can’t be direct utility threshold based rules.
Proportionality is harder to make legible, but when lies are directed at political allies that’s clear friendly fire or betrayl. Lying to the general public also shouldn’t fly, that’s indiscriminate.
I really don’t think lying and censorship is going to help with climate change. We already have publication bias and hype on one side, and corporate lobbying + other lies on the other. You probably have to take another approach to get trust/credibility when joining the fray so late. If there were greater honesty and accuracy we’d have invested more in nuclear power a long time ago, but now that other renewable tech has descended the learning curve faster different options make sense going forward. In the Cold War, anti-nuclear movements generally got a bit hijacked by communists trying to make the U.S. weaker and to shift focus from mutual to unilateral action… there’s a lot of bad stuff influenced by lies in distant past that constrain options in the future. I guess it would be interesting to see what deception campaigns in history are the most widely considered good and successful after the fact. I assume most are ones with respect to war, such as ally deception about the D-Day landings.
Fair points. Upon reflection, I would probably want to know in advance that the Dark Arts intervention was going to work before authorizing it, and we’re not going to get that level of certainty short of an FAI anyway, so maybe it’s a moot point.