There is a reason I usually state “the comments are well worth reading” when linking to your blog posts here. You are clearly doing something right, while there are of course false positives people can point to, the losses from those are far outweighed by the gains.
LW if anything is remarkably bad at this kind of gardening. We don’t down vote well meaning but clueless commenter’s enough and when we do one merely has to complain about being down voted to inch back into positive karma.
LW if anything is remarkably bad at this kind of gardening.
I agree, yet for some reason suspect that your ideal would see an entirely different subset of comments downvoted to oblivion and suspect I would just leave if you had your way (and that you would do likewise if I had my way). From what I have seen I’d also leave in an instant if Razib had that kind of power.
This is the advantage of having the moderation influence distributed (among multiple moderators or in this case just voting) rather than in the hands of one individual. Neither one of us has enough power to change the forum such that it is intolerable to the other. The failure mode only comes when the collective judgement is abysmal and even then it is less catastrophic to one ego holding sway.
Really? Honestly I think I would find a forum moderated by you well worth visiting and depending on how much time you put into it, might be much better than LW.
I think we probably agree on 90% of posts that should be down voted but aren’t.
I think we probably agree on 90% of posts that should be down voted but aren’t.
Almost certainly and likewise probably more agreement than between randomly selected individuals. The problem comes if any part of that 10% happens to include things that I am strongly averse to but which you consider ok and use. I wouldn’t expect you to hang around if I started banning your comments—I certainly wouldn’t take that kind of treatment from anyone (unless I was getting paid well).
I never understood people who get all offended and scream censorship if one or two of their posts get moderated while the vast majority are let through. If however you’d feel that a quarter or a third of my comments where objectionable I wouldn’t bother commenting any more, though I might keep reading.
I never understood people who get all offended and scream censorship if one or two of their posts get moderated while the vast majority are let through.
I wouldn’t accept too many more than, say, two or three a year that I reflectively endorsed even after judgement. But I wouldn’t call it censorship. It’s some guy with power exercising it with either (subjectively) poor judgement or personal opposition to me. It’s not something I prefer to accept but I’m not going to abuse the word ‘censorship’.
There is a reason I usually state “the comments are well worth reading” when linking to your blog posts here. You are clearly doing something right, while there are of course false positives people can point to, the losses from those are far outweighed by the gains.
LW if anything is remarkably bad at this kind of gardening. We don’t down vote well meaning but clueless commenter’s enough and when we do one merely has to complain about being down voted to inch back into positive karma.
I agree, yet for some reason suspect that your ideal would see an entirely different subset of comments downvoted to oblivion and suspect I would just leave if you had your way (and that you would do likewise if I had my way). From what I have seen I’d also leave in an instant if Razib had that kind of power.
This is the advantage of having the moderation influence distributed (among multiple moderators or in this case just voting) rather than in the hands of one individual. Neither one of us has enough power to change the forum such that it is intolerable to the other. The failure mode only comes when the collective judgement is abysmal and even then it is less catastrophic to one ego holding sway.
Really? Honestly I think I would find a forum moderated by you well worth visiting and depending on how much time you put into it, might be much better than LW.
I think we probably agree on 90% of posts that should be down voted but aren’t.
Almost certainly and likewise probably more agreement than between randomly selected individuals. The problem comes if any part of that 10% happens to include things that I am strongly averse to but which you consider ok and use. I wouldn’t expect you to hang around if I started banning your comments—I certainly wouldn’t take that kind of treatment from anyone (unless I was getting paid well).
I never understood people who get all offended and scream censorship if one or two of their posts get moderated while the vast majority are let through. If however you’d feel that a quarter or a third of my comments where objectionable I wouldn’t bother commenting any more, though I might keep reading.
I wouldn’t accept too many more than, say, two or three a year that I reflectively endorsed even after judgement. But I wouldn’t call it censorship. It’s some guy with power exercising it with either (subjectively) poor judgement or personal opposition to me. It’s not something I prefer to accept but I’m not going to abuse the word ‘censorship’.
i wasn’t expecting much from that thread. i was more curious about the rationale of the atheism+ proponents. i got confirmation of what i feared....