Synchronicity! I’ll second all of the above, and indeed I intended (and neglected) to make a comment about Fate/Zero, as I recently saw it. Fate/Zero finally made me realize why Kiritsugu was a somewhat appropriate name for that particular SuperHappy faction...
And I recommend people to see it first, I think. There’s no need to drudge through the nonsense of the Fate/Stay night anime—I think that pretty much all that’s good in Fate/stay night is even better in Fate/Zero, and Fate/Zero rids itself of the bad...
And I loved seeing a character who was almost pure consequentialist, a man who could indeed shut-up-and-multiply, to not be treated as a villain, even when his attitude comes in conflict with more rule-bound “honorable” heroes...
I’m not entirely sure what to make of the consequentialism thing. It came across more of a curse than anything else, and the bit at the end seemed to imply that it was supposed to be actually a bad thing.
and the bit at the end seemed to imply that it was supposed to be actually a bad thing.
One problem with Fate/Zero is that it expects the audience to have seen FSN and played through most of the visual novel paths.
The Grail is tainted with the evil of Angra Mainyu), which makes it into an antagonistic wish-granting device. I’d imagine that no matter what wish one brought to it, it would interpret in such a way as to harm humanity to the fullest extent.
One problem with Fate/Zero is that it expects the audience to have seen FSN
I disagree with this—in fact I think some criticized it for spending time enough to introduce new watchers who had never seen F/SN(and in fact I recommend people to watch Fate/Zero first. Though personally I had indeed watched F/SN first, several years back)
Without having known anything about Angra Mainyu, and never played the visual novels, I still got that with all its tentacliness and black-ooziness and the human-sacrifice needingness of the thing, it was really more of an Unholy Grail than a Holy one; malicious, not just ruthless like Kiritsugu...
I don’t think Kiritsugu ever abandons his consequentialism; he just abandons one particular path which he realizes will have bad consequences… but the anime is really ambiguous on this.
Synchronicity! I’ll second all of the above, and indeed I intended (and neglected) to make a comment about Fate/Zero, as I recently saw it. Fate/Zero finally made me realize why Kiritsugu was a somewhat appropriate name for that particular SuperHappy faction...
And I recommend people to see it first, I think. There’s no need to drudge through the nonsense of the Fate/Stay night anime—I think that pretty much all that’s good in Fate/stay night is even better in Fate/Zero, and Fate/Zero rids itself of the bad...
And I loved seeing a character who was almost pure consequentialist, a man who could indeed shut-up-and-multiply, to not be treated as a villain, even when his attitude comes in conflict with more rule-bound “honorable” heroes...
I’m not entirely sure what to make of the consequentialism thing. It came across more of a curse than anything else, and the bit at the end seemed to imply that it was supposed to be actually a bad thing.
One problem with Fate/Zero is that it expects the audience to have seen FSN and played through most of the visual novel paths.
The Grail is tainted with the evil of Angra Mainyu), which makes it into an antagonistic wish-granting device. I’d imagine that no matter what wish one brought to it, it would interpret in such a way as to harm humanity to the fullest extent.
That doesn’t constitute a dismissal of Kiritsugu’s philosophy. It’s a warning against wish-granting devices. Like telling Belgarath not to use his power when he doesn’t know how the universe will implement it.
I disagree with this—in fact I think some criticized it for spending time enough to introduce new watchers who had never seen F/SN(and in fact I recommend people to watch Fate/Zero first. Though personally I had indeed watched F/SN first, several years back)
Without having known anything about Angra Mainyu, and never played the visual novels, I still got that with all its tentacliness and black-ooziness and the human-sacrifice needingness of the thing, it was really more of an Unholy Grail than a Holy one; malicious, not just ruthless like Kiritsugu...
I don’t think Kiritsugu ever abandons his consequentialism; he just abandons one particular path which he realizes will have bad consequences… but the anime is really ambiguous on this.