First of all, this may be an attempt to change your value system and I want you to bear that in mind while reading this post.
1: Seems to be a statement of fact which there is a lot of evidence for and I don’t have a problem with.
2: Seems to be a reasonable conclusion from 1.
3: Seems to be a conclusion for people living in the United States which has SOME evidence backing it, but there do exist counter arguments against that such as here But rather than sidetracking this, I’ll just link a google search and let you draw their own conclusions.
4: I feel like one interpretation of 4 includes your brother himself, you, me, and Eliezer Yudkowsky. I mean, I’m actively trying to convince you of something when making this post. If I don’t explicitly caveat myself with “This may be an attempt to change your value system and I want you to bear that in mind while reading this post.” then you might fairly consider the attempt to be “while I’m not looking.”
5: This isn’t guaranteed to be true for all people, although it may be true for you. It is entirely possible to get into a value system that you DON’T like and would like to drift out of. Depression is a good example of this, although there may be others. He does account for this by saying “Most” but see my comment on #6.
6: As an example of “while I’m not looking.” calling the drift in values “Insidious deterioration.” may affect your perception of an argument on a subtle level. Was the fact that a drift in values was “Insidious deterioration.” ever backed up? Some types of value changes feel like that to me, but others don’t. Some types of value changes feel more like a lightbulb of enlightment going off. I feel like the argument is trying to fast talk me here. “Most drift is harmful, so YOUR drift is insidious deteroration.” feels like it is present in the argument as an underlying assumption and is not being sufficiently backed up.
7: Considering what I discussed about 3-6, I don’t think I agree with the QED.
First of all, this may be an attempt to change your value system and I want you to bear that in mind while reading this post.
1: Seems to be a statement of fact which there is a lot of evidence for and I don’t have a problem with.
2: Seems to be a reasonable conclusion from 1.
3: Seems to be a conclusion for people living in the United States which has SOME evidence backing it, but there do exist counter arguments against that such as here But rather than sidetracking this, I’ll just link a google search and let you draw their own conclusions.
4: I feel like one interpretation of 4 includes your brother himself, you, me, and Eliezer Yudkowsky. I mean, I’m actively trying to convince you of something when making this post. If I don’t explicitly caveat myself with “This may be an attempt to change your value system and I want you to bear that in mind while reading this post.” then you might fairly consider the attempt to be “while I’m not looking.”
5: This isn’t guaranteed to be true for all people, although it may be true for you. It is entirely possible to get into a value system that you DON’T like and would like to drift out of. Depression is a good example of this, although there may be others. He does account for this by saying “Most” but see my comment on #6.
6: As an example of “while I’m not looking.” calling the drift in values “Insidious deterioration.” may affect your perception of an argument on a subtle level. Was the fact that a drift in values was “Insidious deterioration.” ever backed up? Some types of value changes feel like that to me, but others don’t. Some types of value changes feel more like a lightbulb of enlightment going off. I feel like the argument is trying to fast talk me here. “Most drift is harmful, so YOUR drift is insidious deteroration.” feels like it is present in the argument as an underlying assumption and is not being sufficiently backed up.
7: Considering what I discussed about 3-6, I don’t think I agree with the QED.