I’m still feeling fairly surprised/confused that this conversation has felt so frame-clashy. I keep not being very surprised by most of the words you’re saying, but then somehow it still feels like there’s a stronger disconnect than I expect.
“But there really is a difference between trying to learn about things like ‘updating incrementally’ and trying to learn about things like ‘electromagnetism’.”
I maybe want to clarify, I don’t think there’s (necessarily) a difference between learning about things like ‘updating incrementally’ and learning about things like ‘electromagnetism’. My claim is “the average reader will think there is a difference (whether there is or not), and, if it’s an assumption running through your work that they are the same, or close-to-the-same in many ways, readers may be confused because they aren’t tracking that this is an assumption of yours.
Does that still feel ill-fitting-frame-y?
(I think there were other frame-disagreements at play here, but this was the part where I was feeling most confused about having apparently talked past each other or whatnot)
I just noticed that you have a post called “Noticing Frame Differences”, and I’m gonna go read it (in the next few days) in case that turns out to help.
Honestly I don’t expect it to much, it’s mostly just covering the basics of “frames exist”. (It does cover how, like, even pretty similar frames can be subtly different in ways that are difficult to track, but, like, that’s just enough to make me sadly aware of what’s happening but not necessarily be able to do anything about it)
I’m still feeling fairly surprised/confused that this conversation has felt so frame-clashy. I keep not being very surprised by most of the words you’re saying, but then somehow it still feels like there’s a stronger disconnect than I expect.
I maybe want to clarify, I don’t think there’s (necessarily) a difference between learning about things like ‘updating incrementally’ and learning about things like ‘electromagnetism’. My claim is “the average reader will think there is a difference (whether there is or not), and, if it’s an assumption running through your work that they are the same, or close-to-the-same in many ways, readers may be confused because they aren’t tracking that this is an assumption of yours.
Does that still feel ill-fitting-frame-y?
(I think there were other frame-disagreements at play here, but this was the part where I was feeling most confused about having apparently talked past each other or whatnot)
I just noticed that you have a post called “Noticing Frame Differences”, and I’m gonna go read it (in the next few days) in case that turns out to help.
Honestly I don’t expect it to much, it’s mostly just covering the basics of “frames exist”. (It does cover how, like, even pretty similar frames can be subtly different in ways that are difficult to track, but, like, that’s just enough to make me sadly aware of what’s happening but not necessarily be able to do anything about it)