Their point about accreditation usually came up after I had cited their jobs statistics.
If their point about accreditation was meant to indicate that they are skeptical that the plan leads to useful skills or to getting a job, then having them bring it up when you cite the job statistics is entirely expected. They brought up evidence against getting a job when you gave them evidence for getting one.
(And if you’re thinking that job statistics are such good evidence that even bringing up something correlated with lack of jobs doesn’t affect the chances much, that’s not true. There are a number of ways in which job statistics can be poor evidence, and those people were likely aware that such ways exist.)
To elaborate a bit, one form of deceptive figures I’ve heard about is to only count successes as percentages of people who go through the entire program. It makes sense to do this to some degree since you don’t want to count people who dropped out after a day, but depending on how the program is run, it’s not hard to weed out a lot of people part of the way through and artificially increase your success rate.
There’s also the difference between the percentage of people who get jobs and the percentage who keep them, and the possibility that past performance covers a time period where the job market was better and won’t generalize to your chance of getting a job from the program now. Not to mention that success rate partly depends on the people who take the course—if most of the people who take the course are, say, high school graduates with high aptitude but no money for college, their success rate might not translate to the success rate for an adult who moves from another area.
And there’s the possibility of overly-literal wording. Has everyone who has gotten a job gotten a job based on a skill learned during the program? Is an “average salary” a mean or median?
Then there’s always the possibility that the success rate is simply false. Sure, false advertising is illegal,. but with no oversight, how’s anyone supposed to find that out?
I don’t know specifically about App Academy, but I’ve found a hacker news thread where there is some speculation that these “coding bootcamps” might inflate their statistics by having a selective enrollment interviews that screens off most people who are not already employable and/or hire their own students as instructors or something after they complete the program, so that they can be counted as employed, even for a short time.
If their point about accreditation was meant to indicate that they are skeptical that the plan leads to useful skills or to getting a job, then having them bring it up when you cite the job statistics is entirely expected. They brought up evidence against getting a job when you gave them evidence for getting one.
(And if you’re thinking that job statistics are such good evidence that even bringing up something correlated with lack of jobs doesn’t affect the chances much, that’s not true. There are a number of ways in which job statistics can be poor evidence, and those people were likely aware that such ways exist.)
To elaborate a bit, one form of deceptive figures I’ve heard about is to only count successes as percentages of people who go through the entire program. It makes sense to do this to some degree since you don’t want to count people who dropped out after a day, but depending on how the program is run, it’s not hard to weed out a lot of people part of the way through and artificially increase your success rate.
There’s also the difference between the percentage of people who get jobs and the percentage who keep them, and the possibility that past performance covers a time period where the job market was better and won’t generalize to your chance of getting a job from the program now. Not to mention that success rate partly depends on the people who take the course—if most of the people who take the course are, say, high school graduates with high aptitude but no money for college, their success rate might not translate to the success rate for an adult who moves from another area.
And there’s the possibility of overly-literal wording. Has everyone who has gotten a job gotten a job based on a skill learned during the program? Is an “average salary” a mean or median?
Then there’s always the possibility that the success rate is simply false. Sure, false advertising is illegal,. but with no oversight, how’s anyone supposed to find that out?
I don’t know specifically about App Academy, but I’ve found a hacker news thread where there is some speculation that these “coding bootcamps” might inflate their statistics by having a selective enrollment interviews that screens off most people who are not already employable and/or hire their own students as instructors or something after they complete the program, so that they can be counted as employed, even for a short time.