There’s no reason, in a world fundamentally unmoderated for fairness, that a miserable life must be destined to get better, or even be more likely to get better than worse.
There is a substantial reason to assume it will get better: regressive effects. If you’ve been rolling a twenty sided die, and the last three rolls have all been 2′s and 3′s, what is the probability that your next roll is going to be higher than a 2?
Life events are fairly random. We may be able to estimate a range of how good or bad the next major thing that happens to us may be, but within that range we can’t easily predict how things are going to turn out. On average, each major life event is going to have an average effect on your life. If you’ve gotten unlucky rolls for a while, and things are bad enough that you’re contemplating killing yourself, the odds are still stacked greatly towards a future improvement in your life.
Most people who’re suicidal aren’t even subject to particularly harmful experiences, rather, they’re in a depressive mental state where their baseline level of satisfaction is extremely low.
People experiencing random negative events are likely to regress to the mean, and people suffering depression may be treated or spontaneously recover. Most people who survive suicide attempts end up being thankful that they did, and I would never argue that suicide is not usually a bad idea in cases where individuals are considering it. But there’s nothing that prevents a person from having systematic causes of unpleasantness in their life, which will not simply regress to the mean and cannot readily be treated.
I agree, at least in principle, but on the face of it, the logistics of killing oneself in such a way that one will likely be found and preserved within the time limit, without inflicting information death on oneself or alerting others who may stop you that you are preparing to commit suicide, seem rather difficult.
Very true. Things like biochemistry can cause people to have pervasive problems, and sometimes the drugs we have right now don’t help. In those cases, suicide might be the best available option. My own recommendation to a person like that, though, would be to commit “suicide” in a way that lets them be frozen, with instructions to only revive them when we have developed medications that will work where the drugs they’ve tried have failed.
If their problem is something else that is truly systematic, then suicide might be a viable option as well, but in the heightened emotional state of someone suffering from that much pain, I genuinely do think that it is doubtful they can be as rational as we would like. They may easily overlook simple solutions that are out of their search space. That doesn’t mean there aren’t cases where suicide genuinely is a better option, rather, it means that if possible, those people should probably try to get help from as many people as possible to see if they can solve the problem, before they start considering suicide as an option.
There is a substantial reason to assume it will get better: regressive effects. If you’ve been rolling a twenty sided die, and the last three rolls have all been 2′s and 3′s, what is the probability that your next roll is going to be higher than a 2?
Life events are fairly random. We may be able to estimate a range of how good or bad the next major thing that happens to us may be, but within that range we can’t easily predict how things are going to turn out. On average, each major life event is going to have an average effect on your life. If you’ve gotten unlucky rolls for a while, and things are bad enough that you’re contemplating killing yourself, the odds are still stacked greatly towards a future improvement in your life.
Most people who’re suicidal aren’t even subject to particularly harmful experiences, rather, they’re in a depressive mental state where their baseline level of satisfaction is extremely low.
People experiencing random negative events are likely to regress to the mean, and people suffering depression may be treated or spontaneously recover. Most people who survive suicide attempts end up being thankful that they did, and I would never argue that suicide is not usually a bad idea in cases where individuals are considering it. But there’s nothing that prevents a person from having systematic causes of unpleasantness in their life, which will not simply regress to the mean and cannot readily be treated.
I agree, except that I’ll mention that suicide with cryonics is the answer to systematic suffering, not suicide without cryonics.
I agree, at least in principle, but on the face of it, the logistics of killing oneself in such a way that one will likely be found and preserved within the time limit, without inflicting information death on oneself or alerting others who may stop you that you are preparing to commit suicide, seem rather difficult.
Difficult, sure, but usually necessary for the suicide to be rational.
Very true. Things like biochemistry can cause people to have pervasive problems, and sometimes the drugs we have right now don’t help. In those cases, suicide might be the best available option. My own recommendation to a person like that, though, would be to commit “suicide” in a way that lets them be frozen, with instructions to only revive them when we have developed medications that will work where the drugs they’ve tried have failed.
If their problem is something else that is truly systematic, then suicide might be a viable option as well, but in the heightened emotional state of someone suffering from that much pain, I genuinely do think that it is doubtful they can be as rational as we would like. They may easily overlook simple solutions that are out of their search space. That doesn’t mean there aren’t cases where suicide genuinely is a better option, rather, it means that if possible, those people should probably try to get help from as many people as possible to see if they can solve the problem, before they start considering suicide as an option.