Hm, maybe you could elaborate on how these two posts answer my question, or why you posted them here as a comment? I can see possible links, but I am not sure what it is.
You’re tracing the causes of each thing that happens back and back, and concluding that everything is ultimately caused only by “the way the Universe is”, and that therefore we can only change anything by changing the way the Universe is. We still, however, have choices about what to do within how the Universe is, and the fact of our making choices is also part of the way the Universe is. Such as, for example, our choices to post here the things we have.
Even in a deterministic universe, there are still choices to be made.
This is a question, and I gave it a certain spin—it is not the entirety of my opinion or view on the matter; and as such I welcome your response. Yes, I agree. There are important choices to be made, I’m not denying it.
Well, if everyone is influencing the Universe, do you believe that our actions have a certain benevolent direction in mind? To include everyone’s choices in the way the Universe is, only illustrates the problem further, does it not? If you look at the humans alive, and their choices, will, intention and aspirations—it is one messed up chaotic mix, or do you see something different?
Each person’s actions are as benevolent or not as they choose, in whatever direction they choose. I do not believe there is any larger collective force behind them, no collective goal that we are unwittingly striving for.
ETA: This looks pretty chaotic. H/T today’s APOD.
“Is the sage above causation, or subject to causation?”
“The sage is at one with causation.”
Hello Richard_Kennaway,
Hm, maybe you could elaborate on how these two posts answer my question, or why you posted them here as a comment? I can see possible links, but I am not sure what it is.
Kindly,
Caerulea-Lawrence
You’re tracing the causes of each thing that happens back and back, and concluding that everything is ultimately caused only by “the way the Universe is”, and that therefore we can only change anything by changing the way the Universe is. We still, however, have choices about what to do within how the Universe is, and the fact of our making choices is also part of the way the Universe is. Such as, for example, our choices to post here the things we have.
Even in a deterministic universe, there are still choices to be made.
Hello again,
This is a question, and I gave it a certain spin—it is not the entirety of my opinion or view on the matter; and as such I welcome your response.
Yes, I agree. There are important choices to be made, I’m not denying it.
Well, if everyone is influencing the Universe, do you believe that our actions have a certain benevolent direction in mind? To include everyone’s choices in the way the Universe is, only illustrates the problem further, does it not? If you look at the humans alive, and their choices, will, intention and aspirations—it is one messed up chaotic mix, or do you see something different?
Kindly,
Caerulea-Lawrence
Each person’s actions are as benevolent or not as they choose, in whatever direction they choose. I do not believe there is any larger collective force behind them, no collective goal that we are unwittingly striving for.
ETA: This looks pretty chaotic. H/T today’s APOD.