Yeah so I think my thought on this is that it’s often impossible to point at these sorts of missing frames or implicit assumptions in a single post. In my review of Liron’s post I was able to pull out a bunch of quotes pointing to some specific frames, but that’s because it was unusually dense with examples.
In the case of this post, if I were to do the same thing, I think I’d have to pull out quotes from at least 3-4 of the posts in the sequence to point to this underlying straw man (in this case I didn’t actually do that and just sort of hoped others could do it own their own through reading my review).
That seems true, but I think it still makes sense to concentrate the discussion on particular posts. (Zack specifically disavowed this post and the meta-honesty response, so I think it makes most sense to concentrate on Where To Draw The Boundaries and Heads I Win, Tails Never Heard Of Her)
I think it’s reasonable to bring up “this post seems rooted in a wrong frame” on both of those, linking to other examples. But my own voting algorithm for those posts will personally be asking “does this single post have a high overall mix of ‘true’ and ‘important’?”
I think most posts in the review, even the top posts, have something wrong with them, and in some cases I disagree with the author about which things are wrong-enough-to-warrant-fixing. I do feel that the overall review process isn’t quite solid enough for me to really endorse the Best Of book as a statement of “The LessWrong Community fully endorses this post”, and I think that’s a major problem to be fixed for next year. But meanwhile I think it makes more sense to accept that some posts will have flaws.
Zack specifically disavowed this post and the meta-honesty response, so I think it makes most sense to concentrate on Where To Draw The Boundaries and Heads I Win, Tails Never Heard Of Her
Ahh, I didn’t realize that, definitely would not have reviewed this post if I realized this was the case.
But my own voting algorithm for those posts will personally be asking “does this single post have a high overall mix of ‘true’ and ‘important’?”
Yeah I think this is reasonable. I’m worried about thinks that are wrong is subtle non-obvious ways with certain frames or assumptions because it’s easy for those to sneak in under the radar of someone’s way of thinking, but I think it’s reasonable to not worry about that as well.
Yeah so I think my thought on this is that it’s often impossible to point at these sorts of missing frames or implicit assumptions in a single post. In my review of Liron’s post I was able to pull out a bunch of quotes pointing to some specific frames, but that’s because it was unusually dense with examples.
In the case of this post, if I were to do the same thing, I think I’d have to pull out quotes from at least 3-4 of the posts in the sequence to point to this underlying straw man (in this case I didn’t actually do that and just sort of hoped others could do it own their own through reading my review).
That seems true, but I think it still makes sense to concentrate the discussion on particular posts. (Zack specifically disavowed this post and the meta-honesty response, so I think it makes most sense to concentrate on Where To Draw The Boundaries and Heads I Win, Tails Never Heard Of Her)
I think it’s reasonable to bring up “this post seems rooted in a wrong frame” on both of those, linking to other examples. But my own voting algorithm for those posts will personally be asking “does this single post have a high overall mix of ‘true’ and ‘important’?”
I think most posts in the review, even the top posts, have something wrong with them, and in some cases I disagree with the author about which things are wrong-enough-to-warrant-fixing. I do feel that the overall review process isn’t quite solid enough for me to really endorse the Best Of book as a statement of “The LessWrong Community fully endorses this post”, and I think that’s a major problem to be fixed for next year. But meanwhile I think it makes more sense to accept that some posts will have flaws.
Ahh, I didn’t realize that, definitely would not have reviewed this post if I realized this was the case.
Yeah I think this is reasonable. I’m worried about thinks that are wrong is subtle non-obvious ways with certain frames or assumptions because it’s easy for those to sneak in under the radar of someone’s way of thinking, but I think it’s reasonable to not worry about that as well.