I very much did have those interactions, especially with religious people about religion. They specifically denied truth/reason as having any value, and specifically oriented to faith as the thing one must have.
Truth and reason are not the same thing. If you believe that the truth is that god works in mysterious ways that aren’t decipherable by humans reason loses it’s value.
Sure, I agree that truth and reason are not the same thing. I meant to indicate that I heard both types of comments, and often together, from religious people—that the truth as determined by science, reason, and logic do not have value in comparison to personal felt experience.
Yup, I hear you. I think this is a matter of semantics—I am using the word truth as it is generally understood on Less Wrong, meaning the truth of reality as indicated by concrete sensory experience, the closer to the senses, the better.
I think the question of whether someone wants to have correct beliefs is quite distinct from whether they believe that reason is a method that’s useful for finding the truth.
I very much did have those interactions, especially with religious people about religion. They specifically denied truth/reason as having any value, and specifically oriented to faith as the thing one must have.
Truth and reason are not the same thing. If you believe that the truth is that god works in mysterious ways that aren’t decipherable by humans reason loses it’s value.
Sure, I agree that truth and reason are not the same thing. I meant to indicate that I heard both types of comments, and often together, from religious people—that the truth as determined by science, reason, and logic do not have value in comparison to personal felt experience.
I think most of those people consider personal felt experience to show the truth.
Yup, I hear you. I think this is a matter of semantics—I am using the word truth as it is generally understood on Less Wrong, meaning the truth of reality as indicated by concrete sensory experience, the closer to the senses, the better.
I think the question of whether someone wants to have correct beliefs is quite distinct from whether they believe that reason is a method that’s useful for finding the truth.
Yes, I agree that these are distinct things.