My theory is that some folks here really value the perceived freedom to not spare people’s feelings with their posts/comments. I assume these folks experience the implied obligation in other social contexts to spare people’s feelings as onerous, though of course I don’t know.
Of course, that doesn’t mean they actually go around hurting people’s feelings all the time, no matter how much they may value the fact that they are free to do so.
Meanwhile, other folks carry on being kind/attentive/polite. I assume they don’t consider this an onerous obligation and behave here more or less as they do elsewhere along this axis.
And the sorts of folks who in most Internet channels create most of the emotional disturbance don’t seem to post much at all… either because karma works, or because they haven’t found the place, or because the admins are really good at filtering them out, or because the conversations here bore them, or some combination of those and other reasons.
The end result seems to be a “nice” level noticeably higher than most of the Internet, coupled with strong emotional support for not being “nice.” I found the dichotomy a little bewildering at first, but I’m kind of used to it now.
And the sorts of folks who in most Internet channels create most of the emotional disturbance don’t seem to post much at all… either because karma works, or because they haven’t found the place, or because the admins are really good at filtering them out, or because the conversations here bore them, or some combination of those and other reasons.
The end result seems to be a “nice” level noticeably higher than most of the Internet, coupled with strong emotional support for not being “nice.” I found the dichotomy a little bewildering at first, but I’m kind of used to it now.
If you browse the −1 comments, you’ll see people being voted down for behaving dickishly. Some of these then get upvoted.
Yes, I just meant going through recent comments, and threads with collapsed posts. I don’t know of a way to browse “worst comments” … it’s not clear it’d even be a good idea to have one.
On reflection, I don’t think the blunt—nice scale is serving us very well at all. You see me endorsing some elements of “blunt” styles that are definitely negative, and I see you endorsing some elements of “nice” styles that are definitely negative. Neither of us are actually endorsing the negative elements, we’re just accidentally including them because our language is too imprecise. I think.
LessWrong has adopted some elements of bluntness because those elements serve the community well. Some of the elements would not serve us well in other social settings. When someone points out in a top-level post that this is the case, those who already know this instead see them suggesting that LessWrong should abandon these elements of bluntness.
I’m just realising that our scales aren’t calibrated very similarly, and that you seem to think LessWrong is more “blunt”/less “nice” than I do.
My theory is that some folks here really value the perceived freedom to not spare people’s feelings with their posts/comments. I assume these folks experience the implied obligation in other social contexts to spare people’s feelings as onerous, though of course I don’t know.
Of course, that doesn’t mean they actually go around hurting people’s feelings all the time, no matter how much they may value the fact that they are free to do so.
Meanwhile, other folks carry on being kind/attentive/polite. I assume they don’t consider this an onerous obligation and behave here more or less as they do elsewhere along this axis.
And the sorts of folks who in most Internet channels create most of the emotional disturbance don’t seem to post much at all… either because karma works, or because they haven’t found the place, or because the admins are really good at filtering them out, or because the conversations here bore them, or some combination of those and other reasons.
The end result seems to be a “nice” level noticeably higher than most of the Internet, coupled with strong emotional support for not being “nice.” I found the dichotomy a little bewildering at first, but I’m kind of used to it now.
Yeah, why haven’t we attracted more trolls?
If you browse the −1 comments, you’ll see people being voted down for behaving dickishly. Some of these then get upvoted.
Is there a way to browse within a given karma tier? Or do you just mean browsing through the recent comments tier?
Yes, I just meant going through recent comments, and threads with collapsed posts. I don’t know of a way to browse “worst comments” … it’s not clear it’d even be a good idea to have one.
On reflection, I don’t think the blunt—nice scale is serving us very well at all. You see me endorsing some elements of “blunt” styles that are definitely negative, and I see you endorsing some elements of “nice” styles that are definitely negative. Neither of us are actually endorsing the negative elements, we’re just accidentally including them because our language is too imprecise. I think.
LessWrong has adopted some elements of bluntness because those elements serve the community well. Some of the elements would not serve us well in other social settings. When someone points out in a top-level post that this is the case, those who already know this instead see them suggesting that LessWrong should abandon these elements of bluntness.