That’s still hard to see—that you could go from thinking that SIAI represents the most efficient form of altruistic giving to that it no longer is, because Eliezer was rude to someone on LW. He’s manifestly managed to persuade quite a few people of the importance of AI risk despite these disadvantages—I think you’d have to go a long way to build a case that SIAI is significantly more likely to founder and fail on the basis of that one comment.
Rudeness isn’t the issue* so much as what the rudeness is used instead of. A terrible response in a place where a good response should be possible is information that should have influence on evaluations.
* Except, I suppose, PR implications of behaviour in public having some effect, but that isn’t something that Jordan’s statement needs to rely on.
I think you’d have to go a long way to build a case that SIAI is significantly more likely to founder and fail on the basis of that one comment.
Obviously. But not every update needs to be an overwhelming one. Again, the argument you refute here is not one that Jordan made.
EDIT: I just saw Jordan’s reply and saw that he did mean both these points but that he also considered the part that I had included only as a footnote.
That’s still hard to see—that you could go from thinking that SIAI represents the most efficient form of altruistic giving to that it no longer is, because Eliezer was rude to someone on LW. He’s manifestly managed to persuade quite a few people of the importance of AI risk despite these disadvantages—I think you’d have to go a long way to build a case that SIAI is significantly more likely to founder and fail on the basis of that one comment.
Rudeness isn’t the issue* so much as what the rudeness is used instead of. A terrible response in a place where a good response should be possible is information that should have influence on evaluations.
* Except, I suppose, PR implications of behaviour in public having some effect, but that isn’t something that Jordan’s statement needs to rely on.
Obviously. But not every update needs to be an overwhelming one. Again, the argument you refute here is not one that Jordan made.
EDIT: I just saw Jordan’s reply and saw that he did mean both these points but that he also considered the part that I had included only as a footnote.