That morality-you is whatever your brain thinks it is, subjectivity, is highly contentious and therefore not tautologous.
What I called tautological was the statement “To figure out what we mean by “morality”, we need determine what it is that our brains are calculating when they go ‘ping’ at moral or immoral stuff.”
I think your rephrasing “morality is whatever your brain thinks it is” would only work as a proper rephrase if I believed us perfectly self-aware, which as I’ve said, i don’t.
That my concept of perfect circle is encoded into my brain does not make it subjective.
It’s you who keep calling me a subjectivist. I don’t consider myself one..
The question remains open as to whether your it’s-all-in-the-brain is subjectivism or not
Who is asking that question, and why should I care about asking it? I care to learn about morality, and whether my beliefs about it are true or false—I don’t care to know about whether you would call it “subjectivism” or not.
What I called tautological was the statement “To figure out what we mean by “morality”, we need determine what it is that our brains are calculating when they go ‘ping’ at moral or immoral stuff.”
Is there any possibility of our brains being wrong?
Who is asking that question, and why should I care about asking it? I care to learn about morality, and whether my beliefs about it are true or false—I don’t care to know about whether you would call it “subjectivism” or not.
And it’s progress to reject definitions, which we have, in favour of brains cans which we don’t?
Is there any possibility of our brains being wrong?
As I’ve said before I believe that morality is an attempted calculation of our hypothetical preferences about behaviors if we imagined ourselves unbiased and uninvolved. Given this, I believe that we can be wrong about moral matters, when we fail to make this estimation accurately.
But that doesn’t seem to be to what you’re asking. You seem to me to be asking “If our brains’s entire moral mechanism INDEED attempts to calculate our hypothetical preferences about behaviors if we imagined ourselves unbiased and uninvolved, would the mere attempt be somehow epistemically wrong? ”
The answer is obviously no: epistemic errors lies in beliefs, the outcome of calculations. Not in attempted actions, not the attempt of calculations. The question itself is a category error.
If the attempt can go wrong, then we can’t find out what morality is by looking at what our brains do when they make a possibly failed attempt. We would have to look at what they are offering aiming at, what they should be doing. Try as you might, you cannot ignore the normativity of morality (or rationality for that matter).
What I called tautological was the statement “To figure out what we mean by “morality”, we need determine what it is that our brains are calculating when they go ‘ping’ at moral or immoral stuff.”
I think your rephrasing “morality is whatever your brain thinks it is” would only work as a proper rephrase if I believed us perfectly self-aware, which as I’ve said, i don’t.
It’s you who keep calling me a subjectivist. I don’t consider myself one..
Who is asking that question, and why should I care about asking it? I care to learn about morality, and whether my beliefs about it are true or false—I don’t care to know about whether you would call it “subjectivism” or not.
Is there any possibility of our brains being wrong?
And it’s progress to reject definitions, which we have, in favour of brains cans which we don’t?
As I’ve said before I believe that morality is an attempted calculation of our hypothetical preferences about behaviors if we imagined ourselves unbiased and uninvolved. Given this, I believe that we can be wrong about moral matters, when we fail to make this estimation accurately.
But that doesn’t seem to be to what you’re asking. You seem to me to be asking “If our brains’s entire moral mechanism INDEED attempts to calculate our hypothetical preferences about behaviors if we imagined ourselves unbiased and uninvolved, would the mere attempt be somehow epistemically wrong? ”
The answer is obviously no: epistemic errors lies in beliefs, the outcome of calculations. Not in attempted actions, not the attempt of calculations. The question itself is a category error.
If the attempt can go wrong, then we can’t find out what morality is by looking at what our brains do when they make a possibly failed attempt. We would have to look at what they are offering aiming at, what they should be doing. Try as you might, you cannot ignore the normativity of morality (or rationality for that matter).
You didn’t answer my second question.