Why is “believing in God” a component of “going to youth group”? It’s a social outing. You’re right that it’s worth running the risk of conversion to Christianity in order to get friends; he’s wrong in declaring that hanging out with Christians is dangerous.
Why is “believing in God” a component of “going to youth group”?
It is not always the case, but it most definitely is the case in this specific situation. She is noticeably converting to belief in Christianity (and not belief in belief or belief in sports teams, as far as I can test).
Then, I was arguing it’s worth converting to Christianity in order to get friends. Which I do believe is the case for this particular young girl; I just ran into my deontological rule “don’t convert to Christianity” while discussing it.
It helped put my sister into a really terrible Born-Again phase. She was even telling me about Satanic messages backward-masked in records. She got over it, but her husband’s mother is an evangelical preacher (to a degree that disconcerts even other Born-Agains) and has inflicted Christian rock on their daughter. (That said, the husband is remarkably stoic and his mother has turned him into a passive-resistance agnostic.)
So, er, yeah: if you drop someone into an environment calculated to inculcate them with toxic memes, it might turn out to be as influential upon their thinking as it explicitly intends to be.
I am the son of a pastor, by the way. The issue may be what youth groups one goes to; not all of them are that virulently designed.
The best argument for Christianity is happy Christians and unhappy atheists; the best counterargument to that is not unhappier Christians but happier atheists. If you (and your children) already have what the youth group is selling, the danger should be seriously reduced.
I really don’t consider “only contains a small amount of virulent disease, you’ll hardly notice!” enough to make it seem in almost any way a good idea.
I’m not entirely pleased my daughter’s likely to go to the local C of E primary, but the alternatives were completely woeful state sink schools or a Catholic school. I believe I declared “There is NO FUCKING WAY I am throwing her to the Catholics.” She’d get an education, but I consider it appalling abuse to subject a small child to that emotional environment. I would home-school her first, and I have some idea how much work that would be.
Why is “believing in God” a component of “going to youth group”? It’s a social outing. You’re right that it’s worth running the risk of conversion to Christianity in order to get friends; he’s wrong in declaring that hanging out with Christians is dangerous.
It is not always the case, but it most definitely is the case in this specific situation. She is noticeably converting to belief in Christianity (and not belief in belief or belief in sports teams, as far as I can test).
Then, I was arguing it’s worth converting to Christianity in order to get friends. Which I do believe is the case for this particular young girl; I just ran into my deontological rule “don’t convert to Christianity” while discussing it.
It helped put my sister into a really terrible Born-Again phase. She was even telling me about Satanic messages backward-masked in records. She got over it, but her husband’s mother is an evangelical preacher (to a degree that disconcerts even other Born-Agains) and has inflicted Christian rock on their daughter. (That said, the husband is remarkably stoic and his mother has turned him into a passive-resistance agnostic.)
So, er, yeah: if you drop someone into an environment calculated to inculcate them with toxic memes, it might turn out to be as influential upon their thinking as it explicitly intends to be.
I am the son of a pastor, by the way. The issue may be what youth groups one goes to; not all of them are that virulently designed.
The best argument for Christianity is happy Christians and unhappy atheists; the best counterargument to that is not unhappier Christians but happier atheists. If you (and your children) already have what the youth group is selling, the danger should be seriously reduced.
I really don’t consider “only contains a small amount of virulent disease, you’ll hardly notice!” enough to make it seem in almost any way a good idea.
I’m not entirely pleased my daughter’s likely to go to the local C of E primary, but the alternatives were completely woeful state sink schools or a Catholic school. I believe I declared “There is NO FUCKING WAY I am throwing her to the Catholics.” She’d get an education, but I consider it appalling abuse to subject a small child to that emotional environment. I would home-school her first, and I have some idea how much work that would be.