If other societal memes vanish/degrade/change with time, why not quotes? Why do they carry an intellectual value despite the fact they’re (big number here) years old?
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-bravery-debates/ → Also relevant. Some people might agree with one extreme and disagree with the other. Lincoln’s advice is probably not going to be useful to someone who is not sure about if the thing they say is foolish. Your own idea is a slippery slope—a fool will quite rightly be told eventually to shut the hell up. Nothing to revel in, and probably best not to reveal, unless you live in HPMORverse or some 5th-level thinking universe (or whatever the right description for ’what’s my opponent thinks I think he thinks..” is)
“might rightly be told eventually to shut the hell up”
I don’t think that disproves my version—being told to shut up still serves more than silence, as they learn that the timing of their questions and statements makes a difference. Or at least, ideally they still learn from the experience.
They shouldn’t fear looking foolish, but learn and apply sense for when to speak.
Depends on the question, but sometimes you can find things with a well-done web search. If you’re asking a question that can be answered with a simple web page then people will rightly tell you off. You can try appealing to them and MIGHT get an answer but it could also result in backslash with them treating you as an up-sucker.
It’s similar to but not identical to a catch-22 where you can always ask a question, but you MIGHT be looked upon as an idiot or you can look for the answer on your own and MIGHT find it. Emphasis on MIGHT because in a real catch-22 there’s no escape route.
It’s hard to figure out how to phrase the comeback in favor of status games here, but its important.
Like, looking dumb is bad. Very bad. Better to look surly. (which is mainly bad because folks understand its usually hiding dumb). Once people believe that you are dumb it’s mostly unrecoverable. They’ll stop including you.
If other societal memes vanish/degrade/change with time, why not quotes? Why do they carry an intellectual value despite the fact they’re (big number here) years old?
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/06/09/all-debates-are-bravery-debates/ → Also relevant. Some people might agree with one extreme and disagree with the other. Lincoln’s advice is probably not going to be useful to someone who is not sure about if the thing they say is foolish. Your own idea is a slippery slope—a fool will quite rightly be told eventually to shut the hell up. Nothing to revel in, and probably best not to reveal, unless you live in HPMORverse or some 5th-level thinking universe (or whatever the right description for ’what’s my opponent thinks I think he thinks..” is)
“might rightly be told eventually to shut the hell up”
I don’t think that disproves my version—being told to shut up still serves more than silence, as they learn that the timing of their questions and statements makes a difference. Or at least, ideally they still learn from the experience.
They shouldn’t fear looking foolish, but learn and apply sense for when to speak.
Depends on the question, but sometimes you can find things with a well-done web search. If you’re asking a question that can be answered with a simple web page then people will rightly tell you off. You can try appealing to them and MIGHT get an answer but it could also result in backslash with them treating you as an up-sucker.
It’s similar to but not identical to a catch-22 where you can always ask a question, but you MIGHT be looked upon as an idiot or you can look for the answer on your own and MIGHT find it. Emphasis on MIGHT because in a real catch-22 there’s no escape route.
It’s hard to figure out how to phrase the comeback in favor of status games here, but its important.
Like, looking dumb is bad. Very bad. Better to look surly. (which is mainly bad because folks understand its usually hiding dumb). Once people believe that you are dumb it’s mostly unrecoverable. They’ll stop including you.