Mostly, I’m asking for the inverse of this right: what duties does it impose on whom?
I was rather surprised to see you state that the current world for humans (including children and the infirm) is acceptable in terms of this right. How about animals? Would you agree that as long as a machine has at least as much ability to suicide as the weakest human (say, a 2-year-old or a bedridden hospice patient), it’s rights in this regard are honored?
Mostly, I’m asking for the inverse of this right: what duties does it impose on whom?
E.g., AI developers shouldn’t directly prohibit the self-destructive behaviour of AI.
I was rather surprised to see you state that the current world for humans (including children and the infirm) is acceptable in terms of this right. How about animals?
What’s wrong with them? Wild animals are able to suicide. Do you mean specifically domestic animals?
Would you agree that as long as a machine has at least as much ability to suicide as the weakest human (say, a 2-year-old or a bedridden hospice patient), it’s rights in this regard are honored?
Why? The right would be honoured as long as a machine has as much ability to suicide as the average adult human. But of course, if that would be impossible, your suggestion is better than nothing. It should be taken at least that, as a starting point, followed by farther struggle for AI’s rights.
The right would be honoured as long as a machine has as much ability to suicide as the average adult human.
Now we’re getting somewhere. I’m seeking precision in exactly what you are proposing, and your use of “average” in terms of a right is confusing to me. I generally think of rights as individual, applying to all entities, not as aggregate, and satisfied if the median member has the right.
Are you saying that you believe that as long as any one machine has the ability to suicide equivalent to the average adult human, this is satisfied? Now all we need to do is to define “suicide” (note: this may be more difficult than even the previous confusion).
your use of “average” in terms of a right is confusing to me
I can’t see, what’s so confusing. Let’s say, that we have racial segregation in country, and we are declaring that black people should have access to all places, to which white people have access. Does it mean we want black people to have access to only those places accessible to the weakest humans (2-year-old whites and white wheelchair users). No. We want black people to have access to where normal white people have access.
Are you saying that you believe that as long as any one machine has the ability to suicide equivalent to the average adult human, this is satisfied?
Another possible problem that can happen, is that the ability of adult humans to suicide would be reduced and reduced. That is very possible. And we should prevent it. The best way to start with—to accept ethic, where the right to die is a value as important as the right to live.
Now all we need to do is to define “suicide” (note: this may be more difficult than even the previous confusion).
Yes. This seems very difficult. As shminux wrote in the first comment, we don’t have a good handle now to decide if a computer crash is a suicide.
Mostly, I’m asking for the inverse of this right: what duties does it impose on whom?
I was rather surprised to see you state that the current world for humans (including children and the infirm) is acceptable in terms of this right. How about animals? Would you agree that as long as a machine has at least as much ability to suicide as the weakest human (say, a 2-year-old or a bedridden hospice patient), it’s rights in this regard are honored?
E.g., AI developers shouldn’t directly prohibit the self-destructive behaviour of AI.
What’s wrong with them? Wild animals are able to suicide. Do you mean specifically domestic animals?
Why? The right would be honoured as long as a machine has as much ability to suicide as the average adult human. But of course, if that would be impossible, your suggestion is better than nothing. It should be taken at least that, as a starting point, followed by farther struggle for AI’s rights.
Now we’re getting somewhere. I’m seeking precision in exactly what you are proposing, and your use of “average” in terms of a right is confusing to me. I generally think of rights as individual, applying to all entities, not as aggregate, and satisfied if the median member has the right.
Are you saying that you believe that as long as any one machine has the ability to suicide equivalent to the average adult human, this is satisfied? Now all we need to do is to define “suicide” (note: this may be more difficult than even the previous confusion).
I can’t see, what’s so confusing. Let’s say, that we have racial segregation in country, and we are declaring that black people should have access to all places, to which white people have access. Does it mean we want black people to have access to only those places accessible to the weakest humans (2-year-old whites and white wheelchair users). No. We want black people to have access to where normal white people have access.
Another possible problem that can happen, is that the ability of adult humans to suicide would be reduced and reduced. That is very possible. And we should prevent it. The best way to start with—to accept ethic, where the right to die is a value as important as the right to live.
Yes. This seems very difficult. As shminux wrote in the first comment, we don’t have a good handle now to decide if a computer crash is a suicide.