I’m disappointed at the lack of acknowledgement that Lord Voldemort should be unable to do anything due to being supposedly killed for good by Obliviation, and this includes being of any help in Luna’s ritual which requires the secrets of Slytherin. Having HJPEV’s main accomplishment from HPMoR undone by a single Finite Incantatem is deeply unsatisfying and entirely implausible.
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I’m still not clear on what the astrolabe actually does. Is it a time machine that violates the 6-hour limit, after all?
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“According to Luna’s notes, they had all three components of the ritual: [...] The power of Gryffindor. [...] The intellect of Ravenclaw. [...] The secrets of Slytherin. [...] The sacrifice of Hufflepuff.”
Scary. So besides Luna’s atypical personality, supposedly part of what made the story so disjointed was the nargle erasing things that would’ve tied the scenes together.
The nargle strongly reminds me of Ur in Wildbow’s Pact story, or a number of entities in the Antimemetics Division of the SCP. As scary, too.
Lord Voldemort should be unable to do anything due to being supposedly killed for good by Obliviation
HPMOR chapter 115 says: “After future-Harry had figured out what to do with an almost-completely-amnesiac wizard who still had some bad habits of thought and some highly negative emotional patterns—a dark side, as ’twere—plus a great deal of declarative and procedural knowledge about powerful magic. Harry had tried his best not to Obliviate that part, because he might need it, someday.”
Okay, so he might still have some of the secrets of Slytherin, but he can’t speak, walk, stand, or do anything else a toddler couldn’t do—much like Harry when he was an infant in Godric’s Hollow, minus the hands. He also lacks a developed personality, and his personas like Quirrel and Voldemort are gone for good. I’ll grant you that if amnesiac!Tom were put into the same position as infant!Harry and were adopted by HJPEV’s parents, he might again grow up to become a dark wizard. But he doesn’t have 10 years’ time to do that.
Put differently, what did you think Obliviating Voldemort in chapter 115 was supposed to do?
Yeah, I assumed the same. The chapter specifies “episodic memory” (although, somewhat confusingly, it says “everything” earlier in the sentence):
Everything, forget everything, Tom Riddle, Professor Quirrell, forget your whole life, forget your entire episodic memory, forget the disappointment and the bitterness and the wrong decisions, forget Voldemort -
It seems this is a real thing that can happen. “In the case of dissociative amnesia, individuals are separated from their memories … they may forget who they are and everything about themselves and their personal history”, yet they can walk and talk and do everything well enough to “move to a new location and establish a new identity” as an adult: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dissociative-amnesia
I’m disappointed at the lack of acknowledgement that Lord Voldemort should be unable to do anything due to being supposedly killed for good by Obliviation, and this includes being of any help in Luna’s ritual which requires the secrets of Slytherin. Having HJPEV’s main accomplishment from HPMoR undone by a single Finite Incantatem is deeply unsatisfying and entirely implausible.
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I’m still not clear on what the astrolabe actually does. Is it a time machine that violates the 6-hour limit, after all?
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“According to Luna’s notes, they had all three components of the ritual: [...] The power of Gryffindor. [...] The intellect of Ravenclaw. [...] The secrets of Slytherin. [...] The sacrifice of Hufflepuff.”
Scary. So besides Luna’s atypical personality, supposedly part of what made the story so disjointed was the nargle erasing things that would’ve tied the scenes together.
The nargle strongly reminds me of Ur in Wildbow’s Pact story, or a number of entities in the Antimemetics Division of the SCP. As scary, too.
HPMOR chapter 115 says: “After future-Harry had figured out what to do with an almost-completely-amnesiac wizard who still had some bad habits of thought and some highly negative emotional patterns—a dark side, as ’twere—plus a great deal of declarative and procedural knowledge about powerful magic. Harry had tried his best not to Obliviate that part, because he might need it, someday.”
Okay, so he might still have some of the secrets of Slytherin, but he can’t speak, walk, stand, or do anything else a toddler couldn’t do—much like Harry when he was an infant in Godric’s Hollow, minus the hands. He also lacks a developed personality, and his personas like Quirrel and Voldemort are gone for good. I’ll grant you that if amnesiac!Tom were put into the same position as infant!Harry and were adopted by HJPEV’s parents, he might again grow up to become a dark wizard. But he doesn’t have 10 years’ time to do that.
Put differently, what did you think Obliviating Voldemort in chapter 115 was supposed to do?
Well i assume he lost most of his episodic memory, but probably not much more.
Yeah, I assumed the same. The chapter specifies “episodic memory” (although, somewhat confusingly, it says “everything” earlier in the sentence):
Everything, forget everything, Tom Riddle, Professor Quirrell, forget your whole life, forget your entire episodic memory, forget the disappointment and the bitterness and the wrong decisions, forget Voldemort -
It seems this is a real thing that can happen. “In the case of dissociative amnesia, individuals are separated from their memories … they may forget who they are and everything about themselves and their personal history”, yet they can walk and talk and do everything well enough to “move to a new location and establish a new identity” as an adult: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dissociative-amnesia