[About the challenge of skeptics to spread their ideas in society] In times of war we need warriors, but this isn’t war. You might try to say it is, but it’s not a war. We aren’t trying to kill an enemy. We are trying to persuade other humans. And in times like that we don’t need warriors. What we need are diplomats.
We aren’t trying to kill an enemy. We are trying to persuade other humans.
The former is the most powerful method I know of for the latter. As elspood mentioned, it obviously isn’t the victims in particular that will be persuaded.
Wouldn’t killing be better described in this context as coercion? Which feels distinct from persuasion, to me.
On humans it does both. Humans are persuaded by power, not merely coerced. (Being persuaded like that is a handy ‘hypocrisy’ skill given bounded cognition.)
FWIW, those that are ‘hostile’ don’t generally believe they’re going to convince the people they’re being hostile to. They’re after the peanut gallery; the undecided.
The effect on the peanut gallery is hard to track.
It’s at least as likely that dumping hostility on outsiders is a way of maintaining group cohesion among those who have already identified themselves with the issue.
I don’t you can properly isolate these two strategies, there is a reason peace so frequently evolves into war: intelligent rational people living in a peaceful time frequently can reach their goals most easily by creating a violent environment. Diplomacy is safer, easier, and generally something I prefer, but violence can influence many more people much faster.
Phil Plait, Don’t Be A Dick (around 23:30)
The former is the most powerful method I know of for the latter. As elspood mentioned, it obviously isn’t the victims in particular that will be persuaded.
Wouldn’t killing be better described in this context as coercion? Which feels distinct from persuasion, to me.
On humans it does both. Humans are persuaded by power, not merely coerced. (Being persuaded like that is a handy ‘hypocrisy’ skill given bounded cognition.)
Voted up for the link to the video, which is a good explanation for why dumping hostility on people is not an effective method of convincing them.
FWIW, those that are ‘hostile’ don’t generally believe they’re going to convince the people they’re being hostile to. They’re after the peanut gallery; the undecided.
The effect on the peanut gallery is hard to track.
It’s at least as likely that dumping hostility on outsiders is a way of maintaining group cohesion among those who have already identified themselves with the issue.
As you say, in-group signalling is a more likely explanation—hostility is widely unpersuasive to those who are actually undecided.
I don’t you can properly isolate these two strategies, there is a reason peace so frequently evolves into war: intelligent rational people living in a peaceful time frequently can reach their goals most easily by creating a violent environment. Diplomacy is safer, easier, and generally something I prefer, but violence can influence many more people much faster.