When I wrote “I want to accommodate” I meant “create conditions where they would be productive and effective”—it wasn’t really about command-and-control.
Forcing geniuses to learn to operate when the less-gifted are in positions of power is good
Again, sure, but no one is suggesting building some sort of a refuge for the gifted (Galt’s Gulch?) where they could be spared the ravages of the dumb normie society. The are forced to learn in any case.
The whole “show up neatly groomed and dressed” thing is teaching kids to emit particular social signals, it’s just that these signals are more suited (heh) for some situations (e.g. you’re applying for a sales clerk position at Macy’s) and less suited for others. If you are looking to hire a programmer and the candidate shows up in a fancy business suit (while showing all signs of being comfortable in it) with a carefully attended-to hairdo, I don’t think those signals would be well-received.
I don’t think that the “show up neatly groomed and dressed” thing is teaching kids to emit particular social signals that is less suitable to a programmer coming to an interview. Both scenarios are about conforming to social norms and for students that happens to be literally neatly groomed/dressed, which for the programmer means no business suit. It’s just more useful to use the phrase neatly groomed/dressed than socially appropriate because for most things socially appropriate is neatly groomed/dressed.
Being socially appropriate is not overrated conditional on IQ – you have already established that the programmer (presumably your high IQ example) is aware of the dangers of coming in like a weirdo in a business suit to an interview. Why wouldn’t the younger version of this person also want to not look like a weirdo to their peers while in school?
I think you are talking about a more sophisticated version (“being socially appropriate”) and in the context of schools teaching kids its’ considerably more basic (e.g. for boys “get a short, neat haircut, no one will hire if you look like a hippy”).
It’s been a long time since I was in high school (disclosure: I barely passed many classes, and was not in competition for a prestigious university, though I did manage to get 20 AP credits and aced the math SAT), but I don’t recall that the version of “groomed and dressed” then was a particularly different requirement than my current employment as a principal engineer at a large tech company.
Showing up on time for appointments remains rather important. Behaving compatibly with a range of others likewise. Truly bad grooming is, in fact, a hindrance. Formal coiffure and sartorial prowess isn’t particularly helpful, but is less of a hindrance than aggressively-casual (stained sweats and flip-flops).
If it was “show up acceptably groomed and dressed, and with a base level of politeness in behavior to people around you”, would you be happier with the description?
I don’t dispute that being able to meet middle-class social norms of dress and grooming is helpful. What I said is that I think it’s overrated (conditional on high IQ). Looking like everyone else is useful but not that useful.
When I wrote “I want to accommodate” I meant “create conditions where they would be productive and effective”—it wasn’t really about command-and-control.
Again, sure, but no one is suggesting building some sort of a refuge for the gifted (Galt’s Gulch?) where they could be spared the ravages of the dumb normie society. The are forced to learn in any case.
The whole “show up neatly groomed and dressed” thing is teaching kids to emit particular social signals, it’s just that these signals are more suited (heh) for some situations (e.g. you’re applying for a sales clerk position at Macy’s) and less suited for others. If you are looking to hire a programmer and the candidate shows up in a fancy business suit (while showing all signs of being comfortable in it) with a carefully attended-to hairdo, I don’t think those signals would be well-received.
I don’t think that the “show up neatly groomed and dressed” thing is teaching kids to emit particular social signals that is less suitable to a programmer coming to an interview. Both scenarios are about conforming to social norms and for students that happens to be literally neatly groomed/dressed, which for the programmer means no business suit. It’s just more useful to use the phrase neatly groomed/dressed than socially appropriate because for most things socially appropriate is neatly groomed/dressed.
Being socially appropriate is not overrated conditional on IQ – you have already established that the programmer (presumably your high IQ example) is aware of the dangers of coming in like a weirdo in a business suit to an interview. Why wouldn’t the younger version of this person also want to not look like a weirdo to their peers while in school?
I think you are talking about a more sophisticated version (“being socially appropriate”) and in the context of schools teaching kids its’ considerably more basic (e.g. for boys “get a short, neat haircut, no one will hire if you look like a hippy”).
It’s been a long time since I was in high school (disclosure: I barely passed many classes, and was not in competition for a prestigious university, though I did manage to get 20 AP credits and aced the math SAT), but I don’t recall that the version of “groomed and dressed” then was a particularly different requirement than my current employment as a principal engineer at a large tech company.
Showing up on time for appointments remains rather important. Behaving compatibly with a range of others likewise. Truly bad grooming is, in fact, a hindrance. Formal coiffure and sartorial prowess isn’t particularly helpful, but is less of a hindrance than aggressively-casual (stained sweats and flip-flops).
If it was “show up acceptably groomed and dressed, and with a base level of politeness in behavior to people around you”, would you be happier with the description?
I don’t dispute that being able to meet middle-class social norms of dress and grooming is helpful. What I said is that I think it’s overrated (conditional on high IQ). Looking like everyone else is useful but not that useful.