(But note that this is a man-bites-dog sort of mention: the way she highlights that choice implies that, far from being common, as far as Aella knows, it hardly ever happens and this party was highly unusual, and Aella disapproves of it being so unusual & so is making a point of publicly stating it happened at her party in the hopes of setting an example.)
This is a good point, but I don’t intuitively see that it’s particularly strong evidence that it must be unusual. I would expect an event like this to have more explicit rules than the average party.
I would prefer not to have people reply to me about people’s personal sexual activities/events (without exceptional reason such as a credible accusation of rape or other criminality).
I also do not think that attendees of people’s personal sexual events should be policed by others (nor be included when publicly discussing attendance of LW events).
I wouldn’t use that phrasing, but I live and work from Lighthaven, and a great number of large Berkeley x-risk network parties happen here, and I chat with the organizers, so I have a lot of interaction with events and organizers. I’m definitely more in contact with semi-professional events, like parties run by MATS and AI Impacts and Lightcone, and there’s of course many purely social events that happen in this extended network that I don’t know much about. I also go to larger non-organizational parties run by friends like 2x/month (e.g. 20-100 people).
This seems like good evidence and I don’t think you would make it up.
I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that Beff & co are exaggerating/full-of-it/otherwise-inaccurate.
Possibly the Aella thing was an anomaly, but also the thing that they actually really wanted to go to, and they’re inaccurately (although not necessarily dishonestly) assuming it to be more widespread than it actually is.
I think it counts. And while it’s not the typical LW party, do you really think that prohibition says nothing about the scene? That seems like an odd opinion to me.
I don’t know, man. Like… yeah, “not the typical LW party”, but that’s a bit of an understatement, don’t you think? (What makes it an “LW party” at all? Is it literally just “the host of this party is sort of socially adjacent to some LW people”? Surely not everything done by anyone who is connected in any way to LW, is “an LW thing”?)
So, honestly, yeah, I think it says approximately nothing about “the scene”.
Would you describe yourself as familiar with the scene at all? You seem to imply that you doubt that e/acc exclusion is an actual thing, but is that based on your experience with the scene?
I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong to doubt it (if anything I was most likely wrong to believe it), I just want to clarify what info I can take from your doubt.
Hmm… I suppose that depends on what you mean by “the scene”. If you’re including only the Bay Area “scene” in that phrase, then I’m familiar with it only by hearsay. If you mean the broader LW-and-adjacent community, then my familiarity is certainly greater (I’ve been around for well over a decade, and have periodic contact with various happenings here in NYC).
Yes, I meant specifically the Bay Area scene, since that’s the only part of the LW community that’s accused of excluding e/acc-ers.
It’s interesting and relevant if you can say that in the NYC scene, this sort of thing is unheard of, and that you’re familiar enough with that scene to say so, but it isn’t 100% on point.
Is… this actually true??
I’ve never heard of such a thing happening.
It happened at least at the (Allah may forgive me uttering those words) Aella birthday gangbang:
(But note that this is a man-bites-dog sort of mention: the way she highlights that choice implies that, far from being common, as far as Aella knows, it hardly ever happens and this party was highly unusual, and Aella disapproves of it being so unusual & so is making a point of publicly stating it happened at her party in the hopes of setting an example.)
This is a good point, but I don’t intuitively see that it’s particularly strong evidence that it must be unusual. I would expect an event like this to have more explicit rules than the average party.
I would prefer not to have people reply to me about people’s personal sexual activities/events (without exceptional reason such as a credible accusation of rape or other criminality).
I also do not think that attendees of people’s personal sexual events should be policed by others (nor be included when publicly discussing attendance of LW events).
Would you describe yourself as plugged into the LW party scene in Berkeley?
I wouldn’t use that phrasing, but I live and work from Lighthaven, and a great number of large Berkeley x-risk network parties happen here, and I chat with the organizers, so I have a lot of interaction with events and organizers. I’m definitely more in contact with semi-professional events, like parties run by MATS and AI Impacts and Lightcone, and there’s of course many purely social events that happen in this extended network that I don’t know much about. I also go to larger non-organizational parties run by friends like 2x/month (e.g. 20-100 people).
This seems like good evidence and I don’t think you would make it up.
I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that Beff & co are exaggerating/full-of-it/otherwise-inaccurate.
Possibly the Aella thing was an anomaly, but also the thing that they actually really wanted to go to, and they’re inaccurately (although not necessarily dishonestly) assuming it to be more widespread than it actually is.
Didn’t Aella explicitly reject e/acc’s from her gangbang on the grounds that they were philosophically objectionable?
Uh… does that really count as an event in “the LW scene”?
… are you sure this post isn’t an April 1st joke?
I think it counts. And while it’s not the typical LW party, do you really think that prohibition says nothing about the scene? That seems like an odd opinion to me.
I don’t know, man. Like… yeah, “not the typical LW party”, but that’s a bit of an understatement, don’t you think? (What makes it an “LW party” at all? Is it literally just “the host of this party is sort of socially adjacent to some LW people”? Surely not everything done by anyone who is connected in any way to LW, is “an LW thing”?)
So, honestly, yeah, I think it says approximately nothing about “the scene”.
Would you describe yourself as familiar with the scene at all? You seem to imply that you doubt that e/acc exclusion is an actual thing, but is that based on your experience with the scene?
I’m not suggesting that you’re wrong to doubt it (if anything I was most likely wrong to believe it), I just want to clarify what info I can take from your doubt.
Hmm… I suppose that depends on what you mean by “the scene”. If you’re including only the Bay Area “scene” in that phrase, then I’m familiar with it only by hearsay. If you mean the broader LW-and-adjacent community, then my familiarity is certainly greater (I’ve been around for well over a decade, and have periodic contact with various happenings here in NYC).
Yes, I meant specifically the Bay Area scene, since that’s the only part of the LW community that’s accused of excluding e/acc-ers.
It’s interesting and relevant if you can say that in the NYC scene, this sort of thing is unheard of, and that you’re familiar enough with that scene to say so, but it isn’t 100% on point.
In that case, I request that you edit your post to clarify this, please.