It is not just paraphrasing. It is giving an example of a particular case where it is obviously true.
Second, a process that would translate one belief into it’s opposite, in a consistent way, would be complex enough to be considered a mind of its own.
Nonsense. Google could easily add a module to Google Translate that would convert a statement into its opposite. That would not give Google Translate a mind of its own.
I then identify “myself” with this mind, rather than the one that’s mute.
Nope. You identify yourself with the mute mind, and the process converts that into you saying that you identify with the converted mind.
Obviously I do not take this seriously, but I take it just as seriously as the claim that my consciousness does not cause me to say that I am conscious.
You gave no reason for thinking that your consciousness is causal. You just replied with a question.
I replied with an example, namely that I say I am conscious precisely because I am conscious. I do not need to argue for this, and I will not.
Google could easily add a module to Google Translate that would convert a statement into its opposite.
No, google could maybe add “not” before every “conscious”, in a grammatically correct way, but it is very far from figuring out what other beliefs need to be altered to make these claims consistent. When it can do that, it will be conscious in my book.
You identify yourself with the mute mind, and the process converts that into you saying that you identify with the converted mind.
What is “you” in this sentence? The mute mind identifies with the mute mind, and the translation process identifies with the translation process.
I say I am conscious precisely because I am conscious.
There are possible reasons for saying you are conscious, other than being conscious. A tape recorder can also say it is conscious. Saying something doesn’t make it true.
There are possible reasons for saying you are conscious, other than being conscious.
Yes. I have pointed this out myself. This does not suggest in any way that I have such a reason, other than being conscious.
A tape recorder can also say it is conscious.
Exactly. This is why tests like “does it say it is conscious?” or any other third person test are not valid. You can only notice that you yourself are conscious. Only a first person test is valid.
Saying something doesn’t make it true.
Exactly, and you calling into question whether the reason I say I am conscious, is because I am actually conscious, does not make it actually questionable. It is not.
you calling into question whether the reason I say I am conscious, is because I am actually conscious, does not make it actually questionable. It is not.
It is not just paraphrasing. It is giving an example of a particular case where it is obviously true.
Nonsense. Google could easily add a module to Google Translate that would convert a statement into its opposite. That would not give Google Translate a mind of its own.
Nope. You identify yourself with the mute mind, and the process converts that into you saying that you identify with the converted mind.
Obviously I do not take this seriously, but I take it just as seriously as the claim that my consciousness does not cause me to say that I am conscious.
I replied with an example, namely that I say I am conscious precisely because I am conscious. I do not need to argue for this, and I will not.
No, google could maybe add “not” before every “conscious”, in a grammatically correct way, but it is very far from figuring out what other beliefs need to be altered to make these claims consistent. When it can do that, it will be conscious in my book.
What is “you” in this sentence? The mute mind identifies with the mute mind, and the translation process identifies with the translation process.
There are possible reasons for saying you are conscious, other than being conscious. A tape recorder can also say it is conscious. Saying something doesn’t make it true.
Yes. I have pointed this out myself. This does not suggest in any way that I have such a reason, other than being conscious.
Exactly. This is why tests like “does it say it is conscious?” or any other third person test are not valid. You can only notice that you yourself are conscious. Only a first person test is valid.
Exactly, and you calling into question whether the reason I say I am conscious, is because I am actually conscious, does not make it actually questionable. It is not.
What the hell does “not questionable” mean?