i tend to be a fan of “cosmic libertarianism” — see my attempt at something like that. it’s just that, as i explain in an answer i’ve given to another comment, there’s a big difference between trading a lot of suffering for self-determination, and trading arbitrarily much suffering for self-determination. i’m not willing to do the latter — there does seem to be potential amounts of suffering that are so bad that overriding self-determination is worth it.
while i hold this even for individuals, holding this for societies is way easier: a society that unconsentingly oppresses some of its people seems like a clear case for overriding the “society’s overall self-determination” for the sake of individual rights. this can be extended to override an individual’s self-determination over themself for example by saying that they can’t commit their future selves to undergoing arbitrarily much suffering for arbitrarily long.
i tend to be a fan of “cosmic libertarianism” — see my attempt at something like that. it’s just that, as i explain in an answer i’ve given to another comment, there’s a big difference between trading a lot of suffering for self-determination, and trading arbitrarily much suffering for self-determination. i’m not willing to do the latter — there does seem to be potential amounts of suffering that are so bad that overriding self-determination is worth it.
while i hold this even for individuals, holding this for societies is way easier: a society that unconsentingly oppresses some of its people seems like a clear case for overriding the “society’s overall self-determination” for the sake of individual rights. this can be extended to override an individual’s self-determination over themself for example by saying that they can’t commit their future selves to undergoing arbitrarily much suffering for arbitrarily long.