I can still identify a few pages on the old wiki that seem to have no matching entity in the new “tagging” system, e.g. Adversarial process (a general, widely-used notion wrt. which the rationalist Adversarial collaboration may be a special case—so it seems like a fairly important thing to have!). Will these pages be imported in the future?
It was indeed I who went through most of the old wiki pages and decided what to do with them. There where ~600, so I do expect to have made some mistakes, and would very happy to discuss if I missed any valuable ones.
Looking at Adversial process, I don’t see why I wouldn’t have imported it. And yet I didn’t mark it anything on my spreadsheet, so my bad:
We can import it. Let me know any others you think should be there.
Ruby went through all the pages and decided whether to import them or not. I think it’s unlikely we are going to import most of the remaining pages (some of which were pretty random and low-quality), but we will make sure they stay accessible, and if there is any individual post that isn’t covered by the import that you feel is missing, there is a good chance we can just add it to the import. Which specific ones we should import is Ruby’s call.
Thamks for that clarification! I think it would be OK to discuss the merits of importing any given page, perhaps in this very LW thread. Separately, there is quite a bit of Wiki content that’s now been ‘hidden’ in the new system as a result of being merged with an existing tag, and the more “in-depth” portions of that content, if considered worthwhile, should probably be moved to newly-created ‘wiki-only’ pages, so as to reduce confusion among users who only care about the bare “tagging” aspect.
(I have in mind, e.g. the discussion of problematic ‘persuasion’ technology in the Dark Arts wiki page, or the ‘community’ conceptual metaphor for computer-mediated communication as discussed in the page on “Groupthink”. That kind of content can make sense on a “wiki only” page, not so much in the bare description of a “tag”!)
The vision is that tag pages should be wiki pages, no matter the depth. (Long pages get displayed with truncation on load, the rest behind “Read More”, so it’s fine). I think it’s actually good to keep the longer discussion on the one page for the topic.
I suspect that most of the “missing content” comes from the fact we haven’t finished “merging” the old wiki pages with existing tags, and therefore the current text is just whatever the new tag already had. (And the revision/history reviewer makes it seem like this intentional, but it’s not.)
Merging = combine new and old text in whatever most makes sense. Combine and take whichever bits are better when they conflict.
The campaign to get through all the manual import processing continues! We just launched the new tagging dashboard today, on which you can filter for pages requiring merging. Currently 75 remaining for merges..
Ah, yep, Dark Arts has the flag set for requiring a manual merge. These show up on the tag dashboard and when you go to edit the tag. Someone will get to it! (Of course, feel free to be someone, but no pressure.)
I can still identify a few pages on the old wiki that seem to have no matching entity in the new “tagging” system, e.g. Adversarial process (a general, widely-used notion wrt. which the rationalist Adversarial collaboration may be a special case—so it seems like a fairly important thing to have!). Will these pages be imported in the future?
It was indeed I who went through most of the old wiki pages and decided what to do with them. There where ~600, so I do expect to have made some mistakes, and would very happy to discuss if I missed any valuable ones.
Looking at Adversial process, I don’t see why I wouldn’t have imported it. And yet I didn’t mark it anything on my spreadsheet, so my bad:
We can import it. Let me know any others you think should be there.
Ruby went through all the pages and decided whether to import them or not. I think it’s unlikely we are going to import most of the remaining pages (some of which were pretty random and low-quality), but we will make sure they stay accessible, and if there is any individual post that isn’t covered by the import that you feel is missing, there is a good chance we can just add it to the import. Which specific ones we should import is Ruby’s call.
Thamks for that clarification! I think it would be OK to discuss the merits of importing any given page, perhaps in this very LW thread. Separately, there is quite a bit of Wiki content that’s now been ‘hidden’ in the new system as a result of being merged with an existing tag, and the more “in-depth” portions of that content, if considered worthwhile, should probably be moved to newly-created ‘wiki-only’ pages, so as to reduce confusion among users who only care about the bare “tagging” aspect.
(I have in mind, e.g. the discussion of problematic ‘persuasion’ technology in the Dark Arts wiki page, or the ‘community’ conceptual metaphor for computer-mediated communication as discussed in the page on “Groupthink”. That kind of content can make sense on a “wiki only” page, not so much in the bare description of a “tag”!)
The vision is that tag pages should be wiki pages, no matter the depth. (Long pages get displayed with truncation on load, the rest behind “Read More”, so it’s fine). I think it’s actually good to keep the longer discussion on the one page for the topic.
I suspect that most of the “missing content” comes from the fact we haven’t finished “merging” the old wiki pages with existing tags, and therefore the current text is just whatever the new tag already had. (And the revision/history reviewer makes it seem like this intentional, but it’s not.)
Merging = combine new and old text in whatever most makes sense. Combine and take whichever bits are better when they conflict.
The campaign to get through all the manual import processing continues! We just launched the new tagging dashboard today, on which you can filter for pages requiring merging. Currently 75 remaining for merges..
Ah, yep, Dark Arts has the flag set for requiring a manual merge. These show up on the tag dashboard and when you go to edit the tag. Someone will get to it! (Of course, feel free to be someone, but no pressure.)