There are not all that many who follow any real permissiveness principle at all, and almost none that claim it wrong to attempt to change the behavior of someone who’s hurting someone else. Everyone’s BOTH a fascist (in terms of how they try to influence others) and a rake (in terms of self-justification for non-perfect behaviors) on topics they care about.
Couple that with the common (and correct, IMO) belief that use of exclusionary resources is a harm to those who are thus prevented from using the resource, and there’s not much principled permissiveness left; any permissiveness about non-optimal resource usage is not based on “no harm”, but on “no willingness/power to fix”.
So, what to do in the case where you’ve made honest attempts to reach agreement, and failed? A whole lot of humans (in fact, all of us) have insufficient processing power to dissect our beliefs and preferences, so there are a fair number of topics where such disagreement is inevitable. I personally retreat to cynicism—there are no moral universals, so if I can exercise power in a way which I think helps my goals (which do include terms for other people—I very often act in ways that are classically altruistic), I do so.
There are not all that many who follow any real permissiveness principle at all, and almost none that claim it wrong to attempt to change the behavior of someone who’s hurting someone else. Everyone’s BOTH a fascist (in terms of how they try to influence others) and a rake (in terms of self-justification for non-perfect behaviors) on topics they care about.
Couple that with the common (and correct, IMO) belief that use of exclusionary resources is a harm to those who are thus prevented from using the resource, and there’s not much principled permissiveness left; any permissiveness about non-optimal resource usage is not based on “no harm”, but on “no willingness/power to fix”.
So, what to do in the case where you’ve made honest attempts to reach agreement, and failed? A whole lot of humans (in fact, all of us) have insufficient processing power to dissect our beliefs and preferences, so there are a fair number of topics where such disagreement is inevitable. I personally retreat to cynicism—there are no moral universals, so if I can exercise power in a way which I think helps my goals (which do include terms for other people—I very often act in ways that are classically altruistic), I do so.