Where is it not internally consistent? Seriously, you aren’t the first person on Less Wrong even to claim internal contradictions in my faith but so far no one has given me anything.
remotely sensible reason why we should think this particular text is special in any way
You seem familiar with the normal sensible reasons of why you should think this particular text is special and have already discounted those reasons as being invalid.
increasingly strenuous logical silliness.
example of this please?
certain unchanging text
define unchanging? There have been numerous copy errors that have been fixed and some mismatches of names and other such things in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. Also, our canon is not closed but open so it is subject to additions at any time.
Predict something in advance, on the public record, that actually comes true
I have done my best to give examples of this having happened, even within the last 50 years. I have also gone on the public record with predictions for the future. I have also given a specific formula that can be used to receive answers about the truthfulness of anything I say.
Predict something in advance, on the public record, that actually comes true
I do not claim to be a prophet for anyone other then myself, so any prediction I were to make would just be a prediction based on my own understanding of things and thus highly likely to be wrong. I will go through the public talks of the current prophet and pull up something if you wish, most likely it will be of limited scope and therefore not impressive to you.
However, if the shoe fits, you can put it on if you want.
I suffered a rather large drop in karma from one point being taken away from all my posts after responding to one of your posts and very shortly afterwards you make the previous post. I made an assumption of what had happened and if I was wrong then I am sorry for that assumption.
edit copy and past of the quotes was messed up. fixed it so they are in the right places.
For what its worth, I personally haven’t touched your karma on this site one way or the other.
I think you want to engage me in a discussion of the particulars of your specific faith. I had hoped to convey this in my prior post, but your faith is just one of many, many others vying for my attention. As it happens, I’ve looked at a bit of Mormon doctrine, and wasn’t impressed. I know that, right now, you want to jump up and talk about Mormon doctrine in great length. But think about it from my perspective! You represent only one of many, many sects, all vying for my time and attention. You seem like just the rest of them. Much more to the point—I’m not in the market for a new religion. I abandoned my old one a long time ago, and haven’t missed it.
Finally, with regard to the prophet point, you said:
I do not claim to be a prophet for anyone other then myself, so any prediction I were to make would just be a prediction based on my own understanding of things and thus highly likely to be wrong. I will go through the public talks of the current prophet and pull up something if you wish, most likely it will be of limited scope and therefore not impressive to you.
If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. Unless you have some real smoking gun, conclusively demonstrating the veracity of some claimed prophet, you should just forget about it.
For what its worth, I personally haven’t touched your karma on this site one way or the other.
Okay then, sorry for thinking it was you. I mostly get upset when that happens because whoever did it doesn’t take the time to tell me why I am wrong. This isn’t the first time it has happened.
I think you want to engage me in a discussion of the particulars of your specific faith.
Given the assumption that I had made and your other comments on the subject I was looking for a chance to explain myself and to force you to defend your claims against me (as I saw it) and my faith. If you claim it to be internally inconsistent then prove it to be, if it isn’t internally inconsistent then don’t claim it is.
Further, I do enjoy debating with people about the subject but also know it to be fairly pointless. For me, it is fun and when I have had a rough week or something surprisingly relaxing. I should clarify that debating with people that know what and why they believe in something is fun, most people don’t and that is just frustrating.
If you aren’t attacking me in specific and don’t enjoy such discussions then the only thing you have said that I would like explained is the internal inconsistency you see.
Unless you have some real smoking gun, conclusively demonstrating the veracity of some claimed prophet
Where is it not internally consistent? Seriously, you aren’t the first person on Less Wrong even to claim internal contradictions in my faith but so far no one has given me anything.
You seem familiar with the normal sensible reasons of why you should think this particular text is special and have already discounted those reasons as being invalid.
example of this please?
define unchanging? There have been numerous copy errors that have been fixed and some mismatches of names and other such things in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. Also, our canon is not closed but open so it is subject to additions at any time.
I have done my best to give examples of this having happened, even within the last 50 years. I have also gone on the public record with predictions for the future. I have also given a specific formula that can be used to receive answers about the truthfulness of anything I say.
I do not claim to be a prophet for anyone other then myself, so any prediction I were to make would just be a prediction based on my own understanding of things and thus highly likely to be wrong. I will go through the public talks of the current prophet and pull up something if you wish, most likely it will be of limited scope and therefore not impressive to you.
I suffered a rather large drop in karma from one point being taken away from all my posts after responding to one of your posts and very shortly afterwards you make the previous post. I made an assumption of what had happened and if I was wrong then I am sorry for that assumption.
edit copy and past of the quotes was messed up. fixed it so they are in the right places.
For what its worth, I personally haven’t touched your karma on this site one way or the other.
I think you want to engage me in a discussion of the particulars of your specific faith. I had hoped to convey this in my prior post, but your faith is just one of many, many others vying for my attention. As it happens, I’ve looked at a bit of Mormon doctrine, and wasn’t impressed. I know that, right now, you want to jump up and talk about Mormon doctrine in great length. But think about it from my perspective! You represent only one of many, many sects, all vying for my time and attention. You seem like just the rest of them. Much more to the point—I’m not in the market for a new religion. I abandoned my old one a long time ago, and haven’t missed it.
Finally, with regard to the prophet point, you said:
If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. Unless you have some real smoking gun, conclusively demonstrating the veracity of some claimed prophet, you should just forget about it.
Okay then, sorry for thinking it was you. I mostly get upset when that happens because whoever did it doesn’t take the time to tell me why I am wrong. This isn’t the first time it has happened.
Given the assumption that I had made and your other comments on the subject I was looking for a chance to explain myself and to force you to defend your claims against me (as I saw it) and my faith. If you claim it to be internally inconsistent then prove it to be, if it isn’t internally inconsistent then don’t claim it is.
Further, I do enjoy debating with people about the subject but also know it to be fairly pointless. For me, it is fun and when I have had a rough week or something surprisingly relaxing. I should clarify that debating with people that know what and why they believe in something is fun, most people don’t and that is just frustrating.
If you aren’t attacking me in specific and don’t enjoy such discussions then the only thing you have said that I would like explained is the internal inconsistency you see.
What would count as a real smoking gun, for you?