Reading the comments here, there seem to be two issues entangled. One is which organisms are capable of suffering (which is probably roughly the same set that is capable of experiencing qualia; we might call this the set of sentient beings). The other is which entities we would care about and perhaps try to help.
I don’t think the second question is really relevant here. It is not the issue Tiiba is trying to raise. If you’re a selfish bastard, or a saintly altruist, fine. That doesn’t matter. What matters is what constitutes a sentient being which can experience suffering and similar sensations.
Let us try to devote our attention to this question, and not the issue of what our personal policies are towards helping other people.
The holy problem of qualia may actually be close to the question at hand here.
What do you mean when you ask yourself: “Does my neighbor have qualia?”
Do you mean: “Does my neighbor have the same experiences?” No. You know for sure that the answer is “No.” Your brains and minds are not connected. What’s going on in your neighbor’s head will never be your experiences. It doesn’t matter whether it’s (ontologically) magical blue fire or complex neural squiggles. Your experiences and your neighbor’s brain processes are different things anyway.
What do you mean when you ask yourself: “Are my neighbor’s brain processes similar to my experiences?” What degree of similarity or resemblance do you mean?
Some people think that this is purely a value question. It is an arbitrary decision by a piece of the Universe about which other pieces of the Universe it will empathize with.
Yes, some people try to solve this question through Advaita. One can try to view the Universe as a single mind suffering from dissociative disorder. I know that if my brain and my neighbor’s brain are connected in a certain way, then I will feel his suffering as my suffering. But I also know that if my brain and an atomic bomb are connected in a certain way, then I will feel the thermonuclear explosion as an orgasm. Should I empathize with atomic bombs?
We can try to look at the problem a little differently. The main difference between my sensation of pain and my neighbor’s sensation of pain is the individual neural encoding. But I do not sense the neural encoding of my sensations. Or I do not sense that I sense it. If you make a million copies of me, whose memories and sensations are translated into different neural encodings (while maintaining informational identity), then none of them will be able to say with certainty what neural encoding it currently has. Perhaps, when analyzing the question “what is suffering”, we should discard the aspect of individual neural encoding. That is, suffering is any material process that would become suffering for me if it were translated into my neural encoding within the framework of certain translation technologies.
But the devil is in the details. Again, “certain translation technologies” could make me perceive the explosion of an atomic bomb as an orgasm. On the other hand, an atomic bomb is something that I could not be, even hypothetically (unlike the thought experiment with a million copies). But, if you look from a third side, then I can’t be my neighbor either (we have different memories).
This is a very difficult and subtle question indeed. I do not want to appear to be an advocate of egoism and loneliness (I have personal reasons not to be). But this, in my opinion, is an aspect of the question that cannot be ignored.
Reading the comments here, there seem to be two issues entangled. One is which organisms are capable of suffering (which is probably roughly the same set that is capable of experiencing qualia; we might call this the set of sentient beings). The other is which entities we would care about and perhaps try to help.
I don’t think the second question is really relevant here. It is not the issue Tiiba is trying to raise. If you’re a selfish bastard, or a saintly altruist, fine. That doesn’t matter. What matters is what constitutes a sentient being which can experience suffering and similar sensations.
Let us try to devote our attention to this question, and not the issue of what our personal policies are towards helping other people.
The holy problem of qualia may actually be close to the question at hand here.
What do you mean when you ask yourself: “Does my neighbor have qualia?”
Do you mean: “Does my neighbor have the same experiences?” No. You know for sure that the answer is “No.” Your brains and minds are not connected. What’s going on in your neighbor’s head will never be your experiences. It doesn’t matter whether it’s (ontologically) magical blue fire or complex neural squiggles. Your experiences and your neighbor’s brain processes are different things anyway.
What do you mean when you ask yourself: “Are my neighbor’s brain processes similar to my experiences?” What degree of similarity or resemblance do you mean?
Some people think that this is purely a value question. It is an arbitrary decision by a piece of the Universe about which other pieces of the Universe it will empathize with.
Yes, some people try to solve this question through Advaita. One can try to view the Universe as a single mind suffering from dissociative disorder. I know that if my brain and my neighbor’s brain are connected in a certain way, then I will feel his suffering as my suffering. But I also know that if my brain and an atomic bomb are connected in a certain way, then I will feel the thermonuclear explosion as an orgasm. Should I empathize with atomic bombs?
We can try to look at the problem a little differently. The main difference between my sensation of pain and my neighbor’s sensation of pain is the individual neural encoding. But I do not sense the neural encoding of my sensations. Or I do not sense that I sense it. If you make a million copies of me, whose memories and sensations are translated into different neural encodings (while maintaining informational identity), then none of them will be able to say with certainty what neural encoding it currently has. Perhaps, when analyzing the question “what is suffering”, we should discard the aspect of individual neural encoding. That is, suffering is any material process that would become suffering for me if it were translated into my neural encoding within the framework of certain translation technologies.
But the devil is in the details. Again, “certain translation technologies” could make me perceive the explosion of an atomic bomb as an orgasm. On the other hand, an atomic bomb is something that I could not be, even hypothetically (unlike the thought experiment with a million copies). But, if you look from a third side, then I can’t be my neighbor either (we have different memories).
This is a very difficult and subtle question indeed. I do not want to appear to be an advocate of egoism and loneliness (I have personal reasons not to be). But this, in my opinion, is an aspect of the question that cannot be ignored.