When it became clear that adefmay couldn’t role with the punches there were quite a few sensitive comments with good advice and explanations for why he/she had been sent links. His/her response to those was basically to get rude, indignant and come up with as many counter-arguments as possible while not once trying to understand someone else’s position or consider the possibility he/she was mistaken about something.
I don’t know if adefmay was intentionally trolling but he/she was certainly deficient in rationalist virtue.
That said, I think we need to handle newcomers better anyway and an FAQ section is really important. I’d help with it.
It seems plausible that things could have turned out much differently, but that the initial response did irreparable damage to the conversation. Perhaps putting adefmay on the defensive so soon made it implicitly about status and not losing face. Or perhaps the exchange fell into a pattern where acting the troll started to feel too good.
Overall, I didn’t find adefmay’s tone and obstinacy at the start to be worse than some comments (elsewhere) by people who I consider valuable members of Less Wrong.
There have been several newcomers in the last few days—maybe the mention in the Guardian drew them here.
Besides telling them what we’re all about, a standing invitation for newcomers to introduce themselves might be useful, but there isn’t a place for them to do so. How about another standard monthly thread?
I just noticed that I showed up around the same time as the Guardian Mention as well… However, I have been lurking (without registering) for two years now. I met Eliezer Yudowski at the First Singularity Summit, and became aware of OB as a result, and then became aware of this blog shortly after he split from OB.
However, I would like to say that a newcomers section in a FAQ or Wiki would have been most welcome.
I do have a little bit of a clue what I am doing here as well, as I have spent a lot of time on forums such as Richard Dawkins’ and Sam Harris’ and decided that I wanted to find some people who were a) more into AI and rational reasoning and b) closer to home.
I would second the suggestion for an introductory thread. And, some better guidelines for posting (what is likely to get downvoted, what is likely to get upvoted… although, from my vote count, I seem to have some clue of what works and what doesn’t.. Still, I could use a few more definitive guidelines that just not making stupid posts—or trollish posts).
When it became clear that adefmay couldn’t role with the punches there were quite a few sensitive comments with good advice and explanations for why he/she had been sent links. His/her response to those was basically to get rude, indignant and come up with as many counter-arguments as possible while not once trying to understand someone else’s position or consider the possibility he/she was mistaken about something.
I don’t know if adefmay was intentionally trolling but he/she was certainly deficient in rationalist virtue.
That said, I think we need to handle newcomers better anyway and an FAQ section is really important. I’d help with it.
It seems plausible that things could have turned out much differently, but that the initial response did irreparable damage to the conversation. Perhaps putting adefmay on the defensive so soon made it implicitly about status and not losing face. Or perhaps the exchange fell into a pattern where acting the troll started to feel too good.
Overall, I didn’t find adefmay’s tone and obstinacy at the start to be worse than some comments (elsewhere) by people who I consider valuable members of Less Wrong.
There have been several newcomers in the last few days—maybe the mention in the Guardian drew them here.
Besides telling them what we’re all about, a standing invitation for newcomers to introduce themselves might be useful, but there isn’t a place for them to do so. How about another standard monthly thread?
We don’t have personal profile pages here, do we?
There is this thread. But it needs to be linked to from some kind of faq page because right now it is too hidden from new users to be helpful.
I just noticed that I showed up around the same time as the Guardian Mention as well… However, I have been lurking (without registering) for two years now. I met Eliezer Yudowski at the First Singularity Summit, and became aware of OB as a result, and then became aware of this blog shortly after he split from OB.
However, I would like to say that a newcomers section in a FAQ or Wiki would have been most welcome.
I do have a little bit of a clue what I am doing here as well, as I have spent a lot of time on forums such as Richard Dawkins’ and Sam Harris’ and decided that I wanted to find some people who were a) more into AI and rational reasoning and b) closer to home.
I would second the suggestion for an introductory thread. And, some better guidelines for posting (what is likely to get downvoted, what is likely to get upvoted… although, from my vote count, I seem to have some clue of what works and what doesn’t.. Still, I could use a few more definitive guidelines that just not making stupid posts—or trollish posts).