You say this as if I do not do it, a lot, and get downvoted, a lot.
Haha, true, I think you and I have occasionally gotten into it directly with regards to this.
I guess to that point I’m not sure the norms you want are actually the norms the community wants. I know for myself the norms I want don’t always seem to be the ones the community wants, but I guess I accept this as different people want different things, and I’m just gonna push for the world to be more how I’d like it. I guess that’s what you’re doing, too, but in a way that feels more forceful, especially in that you sometimes advocate for stuff not belonging rather than to be allowed but argued against.
This is likely some deep difference of opinion, but I see LW like a dojo, and you have to let people mess up, and it’s more effective to let people see the correction in action rather than for it to go away because you push so hard that everyone is afraid to make mistakes. I get the vibe that you want LW to make corrections so hard that we’d see engagement drop below critical mass, like what happened with LW 1.0 by other means, but that might be misinterpreting what you want to see happen (although you’re pretty clear about some of your ideas, so I’m not that uncertain about this).
TBC, I don’t [want] us to drop below critical mass. The point of disagreement is whether a cleaner standard would result in that or not, and I have a strong suspicion that it would not, in no small part because it wouldn’t change the behavior of the high-quality contributors we already have at all, and it would bring in some high-quality contributors who aren’t here because the comments are Too Much Headache.
Haha, true, I think you and I have occasionally gotten into it directly with regards to this.
I guess to that point I’m not sure the norms you want are actually the norms the community wants. I know for myself the norms I want don’t always seem to be the ones the community wants, but I guess I accept this as different people want different things, and I’m just gonna push for the world to be more how I’d like it. I guess that’s what you’re doing, too, but in a way that feels more forceful, especially in that you sometimes advocate for stuff not belonging rather than to be allowed but argued against.
This is likely some deep difference of opinion, but I see LW like a dojo, and you have to let people mess up, and it’s more effective to let people see the correction in action rather than for it to go away because you push so hard that everyone is afraid to make mistakes. I get the vibe that you want LW to make corrections so hard that we’d see engagement drop below critical mass, like what happened with LW 1.0 by other means, but that might be misinterpreting what you want to see happen (although you’re pretty clear about some of your ideas, so I’m not that uncertain about this).
TBC, I don’t [want] us to drop below critical mass. The point of disagreement is whether a cleaner standard would result in that or not, and I have a strong suspicion that it would not, in no small part because it wouldn’t change the behavior of the high-quality contributors we already have at all, and it would bring in some high-quality contributors who aren’t here because the comments are Too Much Headache.