One of our neighbors in Tisvilde once fixed a horseshoe over the door to his house. When a mutual acquaintance asked him, ‘But are you really superstitious? Do you honestly believe that this horseshoe will bring you luck?’ he replied, ‘Of course not; but they say it helps even if you don’t believe it.’
— Niels Bohr
(Note: This is often retold with Bohr himself as the one with the horseshoe, but this quote appears to be the authentic one.)
I wonder how common that is, believing that you don’t believe something but acting in a way that implies more belief in it than you acknowledge. One other example I experienced recently: For whatever reason, my mom had a homeopathic cold remedy lying around. (I think a friend gave it to her.) She and I both had colds recently, so she suggested I try some of it. The thing is, she gives full assent to my explanations of why homeopathy is both experimentally falsified and physical nonsense; she even appeared to believe me when I looked at the ingredients and dilution factors and determined that the bottle essentially contained water, sugar, and purple food colouring. But even after that, she still said we may as well try it because it couldn’t hurt. True, it couldn’t hurt… but “it can’t hurt” doesn’t sound like really understanding that the bottle you’re holding consists of water, sugar, and purple.
Another instance may be former theists who still act in some ways as though they believe in God (an interesting mirror image of current theists who don’t act as though they really believe what they profess to believe), though in my experience many of them consider it to be bad habit they’re trying to break, so I’d be less inclined to call it belief in [dis]belief, I’d take that as something more akin to akrasia.
I once took cough drops that really helped with the sore throat from a cold I had, and actually tasted good too. It was only after a day or two that I looked at the packaging and realized they were homeopathic. I didn’t think too hard about it and kept taking them, because I wanted the placebo benefits and all the other brands of cough drop I own taste terrible.
Here’s a study (honestly labeled placebo vs nothing) for irritable bowel syndrome.
I originally got it from a Science et Vie article on a study with four conditions (labeled as placebo vs as treatment; placebo vs treatment), can’t remember what for.
I agree this study is a bit silly. I’ll try to dig up the one I saw, but promise nothing.
Agree that the placebo effect may contain lying to doctors. There may also be some regression to the mean—people who are too healthy are excluded from the study, so when everyone moves at random the ones sick enough to be selected get healthier.
My understanding is that the studies establishing a placebo effect were controlled in a way that’d rule out regression to the mean as a cause of the perceived improvements. Lying to doctors does sound plausible, though.
What’s weird about this is that if this theory works, anything forms an acceptable substitute.
So you don’t need to buy any actual homeopathic “medication”, you can save lots of money by just eating some sugar. (The homeopathic markup on sugar is just unbelievable.)
Even sugar isn’t necessary, since you’re stipulating that “what works” isn’t any particular mechanism of action but just the action of treating yourself. You could as well choose to believe that taking a deep breath three times in succession is a good remedy against the cold (or whatever else ails you).
A roughness in the throat is usually the first thing I notice. Unchecked, it develops into a cough, sore throat, sneezing, and at the peak a couple of days of being completely unable to function.
This happened about once a year on average before I discovered I could banish them by willpower, since when it’s been more like once in five years, generally from extreme circumstances like being caught in the rain on a bike ride without adequate clothing.
Just to chuck in a little more anecdotal evidence, my husband applied this belief in the placebo effect, and so long as he can get an early night, he never suffers the little bugs and headaches.
It works in all instances where homeopathy has worked… ;)
Belief in disbelief:
— Niels Bohr
(Note: This is often retold with Bohr himself as the one with the horseshoe, but this quote appears to be the authentic one.)
I wonder how common that is, believing that you don’t believe something but acting in a way that implies more belief in it than you acknowledge. One other example I experienced recently: For whatever reason, my mom had a homeopathic cold remedy lying around. (I think a friend gave it to her.) She and I both had colds recently, so she suggested I try some of it. The thing is, she gives full assent to my explanations of why homeopathy is both experimentally falsified and physical nonsense; she even appeared to believe me when I looked at the ingredients and dilution factors and determined that the bottle essentially contained water, sugar, and purple food colouring. But even after that, she still said we may as well try it because it couldn’t hurt. True, it couldn’t hurt… but “it can’t hurt” doesn’t sound like really understanding that the bottle you’re holding consists of water, sugar, and purple.
Another instance may be former theists who still act in some ways as though they believe in God (an interesting mirror image of current theists who don’t act as though they really believe what they profess to believe), though in my experience many of them consider it to be bad habit they’re trying to break, so I’d be less inclined to call it belief in [dis]belief, I’d take that as something more akin to akrasia.
I once took cough drops that really helped with the sore throat from a cold I had, and actually tasted good too. It was only after a day or two that I looked at the packaging and realized they were homeopathic. I didn’t think too hard about it and kept taking them, because I wanted the placebo benefits and all the other brands of cough drop I own taste terrible.
The placebo effect is weakened but doesn’t disappear if you know it’s a placebo.
Citation needed :)
[This citation is a placebo. Pretend it’s a real citation.]
Here’s a study (honestly labeled placebo vs nothing) for irritable bowel syndrome.
I originally got it from a Science et Vie article on a study with four conditions (labeled as placebo vs as treatment; placebo vs treatment), can’t remember what for.
I remember this from earlier, see my response in that thread, and my links to Silberman and Lipson.
The study may well be measuring patients’ tendency to want to fulfill doctors’ expectations rather than any effect on the actual symptoms.
I agree this study is a bit silly. I’ll try to dig up the one I saw, but promise nothing.
Agree that the placebo effect may contain lying to doctors. There may also be some regression to the mean—people who are too healthy are excluded from the study, so when everyone moves at random the ones sick enough to be selected get healthier.
My understanding is that the studies establishing a placebo effect were controlled in a way that’d rule out regression to the mean as a cause of the perceived improvements. Lying to doctors does sound plausible, though.
What’s weird about this is that if this theory works, anything forms an acceptable substitute.
So you don’t need to buy any actual homeopathic “medication”, you can save lots of money by just eating some sugar. (The homeopathic markup on sugar is just unbelievable.)
Even sugar isn’t necessary, since you’re stipulating that “what works” isn’t any particular mechanism of action but just the action of treating yourself. You could as well choose to believe that taking a deep breath three times in succession is a good remedy against the cold (or whatever else ails you).
When I feel the first signs suggesting an incipient cold, I decide THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, and it nearly always goes away.
So far, I’ve only been able to make this work for colds, not any other malady.
Must remember to try this.
Which incipient signs do you look for?
A roughness in the throat is usually the first thing I notice. Unchecked, it develops into a cough, sore throat, sneezing, and at the peak a couple of days of being completely unable to function.
This happened about once a year on average before I discovered I could banish them by willpower, since when it’s been more like once in five years, generally from extreme circumstances like being caught in the rain on a bike ride without adequate clothing.
Just to chuck in a little more anecdotal evidence, my husband applied this belief in the placebo effect, and so long as he can get an early night, he never suffers the little bugs and headaches.
It works in all instances where homeopathy has worked… ;)
The placebo effect rocks!
Tends to work pretty well on my own mental state, but very short term. Complicated (expensive?) impressive rituals help, though.