“Well, it’s physics, and physics is math, and you’ve got to come to terms with thinking in pure mathematical objects.”
Physics is modeled as math—physics and math are not the same thing. Math is a functionally complete descriptive language—but it is not a definitive one. Newton’s laws were mathematically perfect, it was the physical things that they incorrectly represented which ultimately broke their backs. Newton’s laws also had perfect predictive power over everything in their realm—the macroscopic—for more than a century, before we developed instruments finely tuned enough to detect their inaccuracies.
If you’re trying to convince anybody here, you’re going to fail, because you start by assuming the very mathematical models which they challenge—asserting repeatedly that particles have no definition, and therefore particles have no definition, is an advancement towards nowhere. If you’re trying to enlighten people, you do so from the perspective of one biased in favour of a particular mathematical model.
I can’t prove my position, but I generally favour a variant of multiverse theory in which the uncertainty principle is the result of consciousness. That is, the human mind as a conscious entity is a functional quantum computer, and the uncertainty principle is a result of that, rather than a fundamental property of the universe. (The uncertainty is not about what state the particle is in, but what spectrum of probability space the mind inhabits, and thus what spectrum of particle states the mind observes.)
You’ll notice that this is a functionally equivalent interpretation. Which is the problem with quantum mechanics—the mathematics describe something, but interpretation is, for now, still up in the air.
You’ll also notice that this interpretation suggests that a ‘slice’ of probability space produces a universe of zombies. But a slice of probability space as an independent structure is no less ridiculous in this model than a slice of 2D space taken out of our “normal” three dimensions when treated independently.
“Well, it’s physics, and physics is math, and you’ve got to come to terms with thinking in pure mathematical objects.”
Physics is modeled as math—physics and math are not the same thing. Math is a functionally complete descriptive language—but it is not a definitive one. Newton’s laws were mathematically perfect, it was the physical things that they incorrectly represented which ultimately broke their backs. Newton’s laws also had perfect predictive power over everything in their realm—the macroscopic—for more than a century, before we developed instruments finely tuned enough to detect their inaccuracies.
If you’re trying to convince anybody here, you’re going to fail, because you start by assuming the very mathematical models which they challenge—asserting repeatedly that particles have no definition, and therefore particles have no definition, is an advancement towards nowhere. If you’re trying to enlighten people, you do so from the perspective of one biased in favour of a particular mathematical model.
I can’t prove my position, but I generally favour a variant of multiverse theory in which the uncertainty principle is the result of consciousness. That is, the human mind as a conscious entity is a functional quantum computer, and the uncertainty principle is a result of that, rather than a fundamental property of the universe. (The uncertainty is not about what state the particle is in, but what spectrum of probability space the mind inhabits, and thus what spectrum of particle states the mind observes.)
You’ll notice that this is a functionally equivalent interpretation. Which is the problem with quantum mechanics—the mathematics describe something, but interpretation is, for now, still up in the air.
You’ll also notice that this interpretation suggests that a ‘slice’ of probability space produces a universe of zombies. But a slice of probability space as an independent structure is no less ridiculous in this model than a slice of 2D space taken out of our “normal” three dimensions when treated independently.
As Korzybski would say, whatever you say Physics is, it is not.