I sympathize with the statement, which you may or may not have implied, that that world would look a lot like our world. But maybe we should make the question more concrete. What benefits do people honestly expect from LW rationality? Are they actually getting those benefits?
I’m here because and while it’s enjoyable—LW is marked as part of the Internet-as-TV time budget. That said, I feel more rational, I think because I’m paying attention to my thoughts. But e.g. I’m not actually richer and don’t have a string of interesting new achievements under my belt. The outside view shows nothing.
If your answer is “it would look like the world is now”—then what would the world look like if it was effective and did work, for whatever value of “work”? (I’m thinking a value something like “what one would expect trying a new thing like this and wanting to get tangible self-improvement value out of it”, though I’m open to other possible values I haven’t thought of.)
Hard to say. My life would look completely different. I was honestly, for the most part, much happier before getting involved, but I’m certainly more effective now, to the point of not really occupying the same reference class in any useful sense.
I was honestly, for the most part, much happier before getting involved, but I’m certainly more effective now.
Perhaps you have a metavalue favoring effectiveness over happiness: you value valuing effectiveness. But isn’t happiness the terminal value, effectiveness the instrumental value?
Usually people don’t expressly strive for happiness because doing so tends to defeat the project (as Bertrand Russell pointed out in his book about achieving happiness), but it doesn’t change that happiness (almost by definition) is what they (and you) ultimately strive for.
In so far as happiness is what we strive for by definition the statement is vacant, and what is described as ‘happiness’ doesn’t closely match the natural language meaning of the word.
I sympathize with the statement, which you may or may not have implied, that that world would look a lot like our world. But maybe we should make the question more concrete. What benefits do people honestly expect from LW rationality? Are they actually getting those benefits?
I’m here because and while it’s enjoyable—LW is marked as part of the Internet-as-TV time budget. That said, I feel more rational, I think because I’m paying attention to my thoughts. But e.g. I’m not actually richer and don’t have a string of interesting new achievements under my belt. The outside view shows nothing.
If your answer is “it would look like the world is now”—then what would the world look like if it was effective and did work, for whatever value of “work”? (I’m thinking a value something like “what one would expect trying a new thing like this and wanting to get tangible self-improvement value out of it”, though I’m open to other possible values I haven’t thought of.)
Hard to say. My life would look completely different. I was honestly, for the most part, much happier before getting involved, but I’m certainly more effective now, to the point of not really occupying the same reference class in any useful sense.
Have you written up how you got it to work for you? If not, then please do!
Perhaps you have a metavalue favoring effectiveness over happiness: you value valuing effectiveness. But isn’t happiness the terminal value, effectiveness the instrumental value?
Usually people don’t expressly strive for happiness because doing so tends to defeat the project (as Bertrand Russell pointed out in his book about achieving happiness), but it doesn’t change that happiness (almost by definition) is what they (and you) ultimately strive for.
In so far as happiness is what we strive for by definition the statement is vacant, and what is described as ‘happiness’ doesn’t closely match the natural language meaning of the word.
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