Mating Grounds: The prototypical feminist alternative to PUA, which is to say, it removes women from one box, and shoves them in another, and pretends that’s an improvement because they don’t use words they declare as harmful (even as they repackage all the same concepts into other boxes). They’re standard PUA rebranded with more feminist labeling, pretending to be morally superior while engaging in the same behaviors.
“This isn’t PUA. PUA is a disgusting reduction of women to sexual transactions.” What the hell do you think all of that is? “Nothing meaningful to show for their efforts” = “We’ll get you sex!”. They’re telling men that they have the cheat codes to sex, same as every other PUA-peddler out there.
I can seduce -anybody-. I’m not even unique—I’m not a decent human being, but it just requires acting like a decent human being. No tricks, no magic sequence of steps, no nothing. It just amounts to paying attention to the other human being who is sitting across from you, and realizing that, hey, they’re human too, they also want sex and intimacy and affection and to feel loved, and giving them what they want means getting what you want. But “Give the other person what they want” means realizing that -both- parties in the relationship are equal, -both- parties in the relationship both want the same things, and that -both- parties in the relationship both have something to offer and need to give their partner what their partner needs, and apparently it is too goddamn hard for people to think in terms of what their -partner- desires, rather than the magic Ur-Woman In The Heart of All Women Who Must Be Satisfied To Dispense Sex.
Calling Tucker Max who might be one of the people who attracted most feminists to demostrate against him for a prototypical feminist seems a bit far fetched.
Just like the accomplished evolutionary pschology professor Geoffrey Miller is prototypical feminist.
If you call an actually evolutionary psychology professors feminist because he don’t share the ideas about how mating works that the PUA community has, maybe your view of reality is a bit distorted.
I am calling him a prototypical feminist (which is distinct from a feminist—that modifier is there for a reason) because he’s failing in the same way feminists do, for the same reasons. He exemplifies a common failure mode of feminism.
I’m not sure about your use of language (I’m guessing at what you mean because some critical words are missing, there), but I am precise about what words I use, and why.
Drawing your judgement from the academic literature on evolutionary psychology is failing for the reasons feminists fail? That as far as Geoffrey Miller goes.
As far as Tucker Max goes, are you aware you Tucker Max happens to be and why he’s hated by feminists?
I’m not commenting on Geoffrey Miller, no matter how many times you bring him up.
And nope. No idea who Tucker is, and don’t really care. I read a few pages from the site you linked, and my criticism is exactly what it is: He moves women from one box, and into another. He fails for the same reason many feminists do; because he believes in a virtuous stereotype, regards other stereotypes as unvirtuous, and attempts to stereotype in a more positive way. Charitably, he recognizes that the stereotype is a problem, but is incapable of moving past a social level and into the level of individual, so supplants one stereotype with another. Uncharitably, he just thinks other people’s stereotypes are wrong, and that his is correct.
What feminists think of him doesn’t matter to me in the least. More, that feminists hate him doesn’t surprise me, since they’re fundamentally similar with slight aesthetic differences, which is always a recipe for deep hatred.
He moves women from one box, and into another. He fails for the same reason many feminists do; because he believes in a virtuous stereotype, regards other stereotypes as unvirtuous, and attempts to stereotype in a more positive way.
Calling a person who got famous enough to hit the TIME 100 by telling the world a lot of nonvirtues stories about himself “believing in a virtuous stereotype” mistakes who he is.
Mating Grounds: The prototypical feminist alternative to PUA, which is to say, it removes women from one box, and shoves them in another, and pretends that’s an improvement because they don’t use words they declare as harmful (even as they repackage all the same concepts into other boxes). They’re standard PUA rebranded with more feminist labeling, pretending to be morally superior while engaging in the same behaviors.
“This isn’t PUA. PUA is a disgusting reduction of women to sexual transactions.” What the hell do you think all of that is? “Nothing meaningful to show for their efforts” = “We’ll get you sex!”. They’re telling men that they have the cheat codes to sex, same as every other PUA-peddler out there.
I can seduce -anybody-. I’m not even unique—I’m not a decent human being, but it just requires acting like a decent human being. No tricks, no magic sequence of steps, no nothing. It just amounts to paying attention to the other human being who is sitting across from you, and realizing that, hey, they’re human too, they also want sex and intimacy and affection and to feel loved, and giving them what they want means getting what you want. But “Give the other person what they want” means realizing that -both- parties in the relationship are equal, -both- parties in the relationship both want the same things, and that -both- parties in the relationship both have something to offer and need to give their partner what their partner needs, and apparently it is too goddamn hard for people to think in terms of what their -partner- desires, rather than the magic Ur-Woman In The Heart of All Women Who Must Be Satisfied To Dispense Sex.
Blind leading the friggin’ blind.
Calling Tucker Max who might be one of the people who attracted most feminists to demostrate against him for a prototypical feminist seems a bit far fetched. Just like the accomplished evolutionary pschology professor Geoffrey Miller is prototypical feminist.
If you call an actually evolutionary psychology professors feminist because he don’t share the ideas about how mating works that the PUA community has, maybe your view of reality is a bit distorted.
I am calling him a prototypical feminist (which is distinct from a feminist—that modifier is there for a reason) because he’s failing in the same way feminists do, for the same reasons. He exemplifies a common failure mode of feminism.
I’m not sure about your use of language (I’m guessing at what you mean because some critical words are missing, there), but I am precise about what words I use, and why.
Drawing your judgement from the academic literature on evolutionary psychology is failing for the reasons feminists fail? That as far as Geoffrey Miller goes.
As far as Tucker Max goes, are you aware you Tucker Max happens to be and why he’s hated by feminists?
I’m not commenting on Geoffrey Miller, no matter how many times you bring him up.
And nope. No idea who Tucker is, and don’t really care. I read a few pages from the site you linked, and my criticism is exactly what it is: He moves women from one box, and into another. He fails for the same reason many feminists do; because he believes in a virtuous stereotype, regards other stereotypes as unvirtuous, and attempts to stereotype in a more positive way. Charitably, he recognizes that the stereotype is a problem, but is incapable of moving past a social level and into the level of individual, so supplants one stereotype with another. Uncharitably, he just thinks other people’s stereotypes are wrong, and that his is correct.
What feminists think of him doesn’t matter to me in the least. More, that feminists hate him doesn’t surprise me, since they’re fundamentally similar with slight aesthetic differences, which is always a recipe for deep hatred.
Calling a person who got famous enough to hit the TIME 100 by telling the world a lot of nonvirtues stories about himself “believing in a virtuous stereotype” mistakes who he is.