You seem to believe your statement about Sargin contradicts mine.
You are mistaken. I believe my statement about Sargin Rukevwe (you’re employing his relatives as well, I think) expands on your statement. As to contradiction, well, I have strong doubts about him getting into effective altruism…
Your statement makes it sound like a claim that most of our likes comes from those we paid money to.
I don’t know about most of your likes and I suspect that varies. But your statement makes it sound like your likes do not come from people you pay to like the posts. In fact some of them do.
Isn’t it interesting how the list of people jkaufman compiled from just looking at who likes your Facebook posts looks very much like the list of people you pay money to?
A post like “Trump Feels Your Anger and Anxiety: How Neuroscience Helps Explain Trump’s Triumphs” has 242 likes on the InIn facebook page. If five of those are people that Gleb pays money to that’s doesn’t really matter. That also wouldn’t be the main concern that jkaufman talks about.
Those 242 likes come from what I sampled from places like Bangladesh and Indonesia. jkaufman charges that those are mostly paid likes.
Isn’t it interesting how the list of people jkaufman compiled from just looking at who likes your Facebook posts looks very much like the list of people you pay money to?
If Gleb only pays money to those five people and not to the 237 other people who liked the post then, a huge part of jkaufman charge isn’t correct.
I think we’re on slightly different semantic grounds here. “Paid likes” is a specific practice, one that we’ve never engaged in, because it’s highly counterproductive to creating an engaged FB community.
Now, are there people we pay who also like our FB posts? Sure. They are the ones who most consistently like them. This is one reason we hired them to work for us. It’s a pretty typical thing to do for a nonprofit to hire on volunteers who are passionate about the cause.
getting into effective altruism
I accept that you’re skeptical. Here’s an example of one of our virtual assistants describing his getting into EA.
It’s a pretty typical thing to do for a nonprofit to hire on volunteers who are passionate about the cause.
Yes, but that is not what you are doing. You are not hiring especially passionate volunteers. You’re hiring cheap third-world virtual assistants who repost, like, and generally promote your posts for money, not because they are especially fond of InIn.
describing his getting into EA
Don’t see anything about EA in there. Charity work, yes, EA, no.
It doesn’t look like a silly question; steelmanned to some degree it would be “do you have any evidence of this, because if that was true, I’d want to end that practice in my organization”. I prefer systems where burden of proof is on the accuser, and whilst you don’t need payslips that have as job title “content upvoter”, some explanation would be nice.
It’s perfectly possible to speak the truth whilst being intellectually dishonest, you two could be arguing past each other—“You’re engaging in shady business practices!” “There’s no fraud here.”
“Paid likes” is a specific practice, one that we’ve never engaged in
Sorry, yes, you’re interpreting my use of “paid likes” as being a very specific thing, and I mean it differently. Specifically, I’m talking about accounts that (a) click like and (b) are operated by someone who received money from InIn and (c) wouldn’t have done (a) without (b).
Ah, I see there was a miscommunication. In that case, sure, there are people who are paid for social media management, and as part of doing so, click like on our posts. Yes, I suppose they would not be doing so as consistently as they are if they were not paid, although someone who was let go due to financial constraints still keeps liking our posts consistently due to his enthusiasm for the content.
They are the ones who most consistently like them. This is one reason we hired them to work for us.
You’re saying that first they start liking all of your posts, then you reach out to them, and in many cases decide to hire them? The hiring doesn’t come before the mass-liking?
Not necessarily. Sometimes they expressed enthusiasm in ways other than liking our posts, such as sending me private emails and expressing a desire to volunteer, etc. We only take on as contractors people who are passionate about the cause, have benefited personally from the content, and volunteer at least 2⁄3 of their time or more.
It would seem that the existence of such contractors follows logically from the fact that you are able to hire people despite the fact that you require contractors to volunteer 2⁄3 of their time.
The issue at hand is motivation, not existence. Lumifer fails to understand that people would not work at 1⁄3 of the standard rate if they were not passionate about the cause.
They are hired at 1⁄3 the standard third-world rate, silly. They can make much more working for another organization—they choose to work for Intentional Insights because of their passion for it. But anyway, I’m tired of this. I think I have explained the situation clearly enough for any rational being to update. If you refuse to be rational about it, I’m not going to waste my time on this anymore.
They are hired at 1⁄3 the standard third-world rate, silly.
The standard third-world rate is “whatever I can get”, love.
they choose to work for Intentional Insights because of their passion for it
LOL. Y’know, you inflict a lot of damage to yourself and your brand just because you stubbornly insist on your petty lies and keep on digging when the correct (dare I say rational? X-D) choice of action is to cut and run...
The standard third-world rate is “whatever I can get”
I love that you keep showing your ignorance throughout this conversation. Gold star for this one, especially. See the minimum rate for Upwork if you’re curious about this. Consider this comment an extra favor to help you learn.
Not going to dignify the rest of your silly commentary with answers. Oh, and BTW, thanks for drawing more attention to Intentional Insights with your commentary. People love controversy, and this is one reason I enjoy engaging with your until you start being repetitive and unimaginative, like you’re being right now. Ta-ta!
You are mistaken. I believe my statement about Sargin Rukevwe (you’re employing his relatives as well, I think) expands on your statement. As to contradiction, well, I have strong doubts about him getting into effective altruism…
I don’t know about most of your likes and I suspect that varies. But your statement makes it sound like your likes do not come from people you pay to like the posts. In fact some of them do.
Isn’t it interesting how the list of people jkaufman compiled from just looking at who likes your Facebook posts looks very much like the list of people you pay money to?
A post like “Trump Feels Your Anger and Anxiety: How Neuroscience Helps Explain Trump’s Triumphs” has 242 likes on the InIn facebook page. If five of those are people that Gleb pays money to that’s doesn’t really matter. That also wouldn’t be the main concern that jkaufman talks about.
Those 242 likes come from what I sampled from places like Bangladesh and Indonesia. jkaufman charges that those are mostly paid likes.
If Gleb only pays money to those five people and not to the 237 other people who liked the post then, a huge part of jkaufman charge isn’t correct.
I think we’re on slightly different semantic grounds here. “Paid likes” is a specific practice, one that we’ve never engaged in, because it’s highly counterproductive to creating an engaged FB community.
Now, are there people we pay who also like our FB posts? Sure. They are the ones who most consistently like them. This is one reason we hired them to work for us. It’s a pretty typical thing to do for a nonprofit to hire on volunteers who are passionate about the cause.
I accept that you’re skeptical. Here’s an example of one of our virtual assistants describing his getting into EA.
Yes, but that is not what you are doing. You are not hiring especially passionate volunteers. You’re hiring cheap third-world virtual assistants who repost, like, and generally promote your posts for money, not because they are especially fond of InIn.
Don’t see anything about EA in there. Charity work, yes, EA, no.
Evidence?
Don’t be daft.
It doesn’t look like a silly question; steelmanned to some degree it would be “do you have any evidence of this, because if that was true, I’d want to end that practice in my organization”. I prefer systems where burden of proof is on the accuser, and whilst you don’t need payslips that have as job title “content upvoter”, some explanation would be nice.
It’s perfectly possible to speak the truth whilst being intellectually dishonest, you two could be arguing past each other—“You’re engaging in shady business practices!” “There’s no fraud here.”
Nope, because InIn is basically Gleb and his wife, that’s it, and he, of course, knows perfectly well how “that practice” works.
In any case, we’ve already circled around this mulberry bush. See e.g. starting from here and reading the replies, or follow the links upthread.
It is certainly possible to be dishonest while speaking the literal truth. However that’s not called “arguing past each other”, that’s called deceit.
That is one well-plucked mulberry bush.
Sorry, yes, you’re interpreting my use of “paid likes” as being a very specific thing, and I mean it differently. Specifically, I’m talking about accounts that (a) click like and (b) are operated by someone who received money from InIn and (c) wouldn’t have done (a) without (b).
Ah, I see there was a miscommunication. In that case, sure, there are people who are paid for social media management, and as part of doing so, click like on our posts. Yes, I suppose they would not be doing so as consistently as they are if they were not paid, although someone who was let go due to financial constraints still keeps liking our posts consistently due to his enthusiasm for the content.
You’re saying that first they start liking all of your posts, then you reach out to them, and in many cases decide to hire them? The hiring doesn’t come before the mass-liking?
Not necessarily. Sometimes they expressed enthusiasm in ways other than liking our posts, such as sending me private emails and expressing a desire to volunteer, etc. We only take on as contractors people who are passionate about the cause, have benefited personally from the content, and volunteer at least 2⁄3 of their time or more.
*snort*
Let’s translate: “We pay our contractors at most 1⁄3 of the stated rate”.
You are being silly. What makes you believe any contractor would work for 1⁄3 the standard rate?
It would seem that the existence of such contractors follows logically from the fact that you are able to hire people despite the fact that you require contractors to volunteer 2⁄3 of their time.
The issue at hand is motivation, not existence. Lumifer fails to understand that people would not work at 1⁄3 of the standard rate if they were not passionate about the cause.
That’s why you hire third-world virtual assistants.
They are hired at 1⁄3 the standard third-world rate, silly. They can make much more working for another organization—they choose to work for Intentional Insights because of their passion for it. But anyway, I’m tired of this. I think I have explained the situation clearly enough for any rational being to update. If you refuse to be rational about it, I’m not going to waste my time on this anymore.
The standard third-world rate is “whatever I can get”, love.
LOL. Y’know, you inflict a lot of damage to yourself and your brand just because you stubbornly insist on your petty lies and keep on digging when the correct (dare I say rational? X-D) choice of action is to cut and run...
I love that you keep showing your ignorance throughout this conversation. Gold star for this one, especially. See the minimum rate for Upwork if you’re curious about this. Consider this comment an extra favor to help you learn.
Not going to dignify the rest of your silly commentary with answers. Oh, and BTW, thanks for drawing more attention to Intentional Insights with your commentary. People love controversy, and this is one reason I enjoy engaging with your until you start being repetitive and unimaginative, like you’re being right now. Ta-ta!
Oh, you think Upwork is the only way to hire third-world virtual assistants. Well, grasshopper… :-)
But thanks for that piece of information, it clarified why are you paying 1⁄3 of stated rates.
We aim to please :-) Would you like me to continue? Would that count as volunteering for InIn and being passionate about it? :-D
You can be very pleasing indeed when you aim for it ;-)