What bold unjustified political claims? You do realise that every other person on this site I’ve met so far has some kind of extreme political view. I thought I was kind of reasonable.
Bold, unjustified claims that go against consensus.
In other words, I disagreed with you. I always look for the reasons to doubt something or believe in something else before I just “go along with it”.
Bad spelling/grammar.
What’s wrong with my spelling/grammar? I double check everything before I post it!
Bold, unjustified claims that go against consensus.
In other words, I disagreed with you. I always look for the reasons to doubt something or believe in something else before I just “go along with it”.
No. In other words, you’ve made claims that assume statements against consensus, often without even realizing it or giving any justification when you do so. As I already explained to you, the general approach at LW has been hashed out quite a bit. Some people (such as myself) disagree with a fair bit. For example, I’m much closer to being a traditional rationalist than a Bayesian rationalist and I also assign a very low probability to a Singularity-type event. But I’m aware enough to know when I’m operating under non-consensus views so I’m careful to be explicit about what those views are and if necessary, note why I have them. I’m not the only such example. Alicorn for example (who also replied to this post) has views on morality that are a distinct minority in LW, but Alicorn is careful whenever these come up to reason carefully and make her premises explicit. Thus, the comments are far more likely to be voted up than down.
Your persecuting me because of my religion!?
Well, for the people complaining about grammar: “Your” → “You’re”
But no, you’ve only mentioned your religious views twice I think, and once in passing. The votes down there were I’m pretty sure because your personal religious viewpoint was utterly besides the point being made about the general LW consensus.
What bold unjustified political claims? You do realise that every other person on this site I’ve met so far has some kind of extreme political view. I thought I was kind of reasonable.
Emphasis on ‘unjustified’. Example. This sounds awfully flippant and sure of yourself—“This system wouldn’t work at all”. Why do you suppose so many people, including professional political scientists / political philosophers / philosophers of law think that it would work? Do you have an amazing insight that they’re all missing? Sure, there are people with many different positions on this issue, but unless you’re actually going to join the debate and give solid reasons, you weren’t really contributing anything with this comment.
Also, comments on political issues are discouraged, as politics is the mind-killer. Unless you’re really sure your political comment is appropriate, hold off on posting it. And if you’re really sure your political comment is too important not to post, you should check to make sure you’re being rational, as that’s a good sign you’re not.
In other words, I disagreed with you. I always look for the reasons to doubt something or believe in something else before I just “go along with it”.
Again, emphasis on ‘unjustified’. If people here believe something, there are usually very good reasons for it. Going against that without at least attempting a justification is not recommended. Here are hundreds of people who have spent years trying to understand how to, in general, be correct about things, and they have managed to reach agreement on some issues. You should be shaken by that, unless you know precisely where they’ve all gone wrong, and in that case you should say so. If you’re right, they’ll all change their minds.
Also a Christian
Your[sic] persecuting me because of my religion!?
You’ve indicated you have false beliefs. That is a point against you. Also if you think the world is flat, the moon is made of green cheese, or 2+2=3, and don’t manage to fix that when someone tells you you’re wrong, rationalists will have a lower opinion of you. If you manage to convince them that 2+2=3, then you win back more points than you’ve lost, but it’s probably not worth the try.
Emphasis on ‘unjustified’. Example. This sounds awfully flippant and sure of yourself—“This system wouldn’t work at all”. Why do you suppose so many people, including professional political scientists / political philosophers / philosophers of law think that it would work?
Because they don’t!? I was talking about how the FDA is right, the “wouldn’t work at all” is an unregulated drug industry. If you don’t like my opinion, fine, but lots of people would agree with me including many of those “political philosophers” you speak so highly of.
If you’re right, they’ll all change their minds.
In my expirience, people rarely change they’re minds after their sure of something. Thats not to say it doesn’t happen, otherwise why would I try. The point of argument is to try to get both people on the same ground, then they can both choose for themselves which is right, even if they don’t publicly admit “defeat”.
You’ve indicated you have false beliefs.
What if it’s not a false belief? It’s alot different from “2+2=3” or “the world is flat”. Why? Because you can prove those things correct or incorrect.
If you manage to convince them that 2+2=3, then you win back more points than you’ve lost, but it’s probably not worth the try.
What if it’s not a false belief? It’s alot different from “2+2=3” or “the world is flat”. Why? Because you can prove those things correct or incorrect.
The extremely low prior probability and the total lack of evidence allow us, as Bayesians, to dismiss it as false. Taboo the word “proof”, because it’s not useful to us in this context.
Because they don’t!? I was talking about how the FDA is right, the “wouldn’t work at all” is an unregulated drug industry. If you don’t like my opinion, fine, but lots of people would agree with me including many of those “political philosophers” you speak so highly of.
Speaking as someone who thinks that the general outline of your point in that thread is the correct conclusion, the problem is you gave zero evidence or logic for why you would be correct. Suppose someone says “Hey we do things like X right now, but what if we did Y instead?” You can’t just respond “Y won’t work.” If you say “Y won’t work because of problems A,B, C” or “X works better than Y because of problems D,E,F” then you’ve got a discussion going. But otherwise, all you have is someone shouting “is not”/”is too.”
What if it’s not a false belief? It’s alot different from “2+2=3” or “the world is flat”. Why? Because you can prove those things correct or incorrect.
If we’re talking about the religion matter again, which it seems we are, weren’t you already linked to the Mysterious Answers sequence? And I’m pretty sure you were explicitly given this post. Maybe instead of waiting 8 minutes to post between that time read some of the things people have asked you to read? Or maybe spend a few hours just reading the sequences?
Edit: It is possible that you are running into problems with inferential distance.
In my expirience, people rarely change they’re minds after their sure of something.
That matches my experience everywhere except Lw.
If you don’t like my opinion, fine, but lots of people would agree with me including many of those “political philosophers” you speak so highly of.
Again, I did not say I disagreed with you, or that people downvoted you because they disagreed with you. Rather, you’re making a strong political claim without stating any justification, and not actually contributing anything in the process.
What if it’s not a false belief? It’s alot different from “2+2=3” or “the world is flat”. Why? Because you can prove those things correct or incorrect.
There is strong evidence that the world is not flat. There is also strong evidence that the Christian God doesn’t exist, and in fact to an indifferent agent the (very algorithmically complex) hypothesis that the Christian God exists shouldn’t even be elevated to the level of attention.
What bold unjustified political claims? You do realise that every other person on this site I’ve met so far has some kind of extreme political view. I thought I was kind of reasonable.
In other words, I disagreed with you. I always look for the reasons to doubt something or believe in something else before I just “go along with it”.
What’s wrong with my spelling/grammar? I double check everything before I post it!
You’re persecuting me because of my religion!?
Whatever. I’ll post again in 8 minutes I guess.
In this comment:
Whats → What’s
Your → You’re
Also, arguably a missing comma before “I guess”.
No. In other words, you’ve made claims that assume statements against consensus, often without even realizing it or giving any justification when you do so. As I already explained to you, the general approach at LW has been hashed out quite a bit. Some people (such as myself) disagree with a fair bit. For example, I’m much closer to being a traditional rationalist than a Bayesian rationalist and I also assign a very low probability to a Singularity-type event. But I’m aware enough to know when I’m operating under non-consensus views so I’m careful to be explicit about what those views are and if necessary, note why I have them. I’m not the only such example. Alicorn for example (who also replied to this post) has views on morality that are a distinct minority in LW, but Alicorn is careful whenever these come up to reason carefully and make her premises explicit. Thus, the comments are far more likely to be voted up than down.
Well, for the people complaining about grammar: “Your” → “You’re”
But no, you’ve only mentioned your religious views twice I think, and once in passing. The votes down there were I’m pretty sure because your personal religious viewpoint was utterly besides the point being made about the general LW consensus.
Emphasis on ‘unjustified’. Example. This sounds awfully flippant and sure of yourself—“This system wouldn’t work at all”. Why do you suppose so many people, including professional political scientists / political philosophers / philosophers of law think that it would work? Do you have an amazing insight that they’re all missing? Sure, there are people with many different positions on this issue, but unless you’re actually going to join the debate and give solid reasons, you weren’t really contributing anything with this comment.
Also, comments on political issues are discouraged, as politics is the mind-killer. Unless you’re really sure your political comment is appropriate, hold off on posting it. And if you’re really sure your political comment is too important not to post, you should check to make sure you’re being rational, as that’s a good sign you’re not.
Again, emphasis on ‘unjustified’. If people here believe something, there are usually very good reasons for it. Going against that without at least attempting a justification is not recommended. Here are hundreds of people who have spent years trying to understand how to, in general, be correct about things, and they have managed to reach agreement on some issues. You should be shaken by that, unless you know precisely where they’ve all gone wrong, and in that case you should say so. If you’re right, they’ll all change their minds.
You’ve indicated you have false beliefs. That is a point against you. Also if you think the world is flat, the moon is made of green cheese, or 2+2=3, and don’t manage to fix that when someone tells you you’re wrong, rationalists will have a lower opinion of you. If you manage to convince them that 2+2=3, then you win back more points than you’ve lost, but it’s probably not worth the try.
Because they don’t!? I was talking about how the FDA is right, the “wouldn’t work at all” is an unregulated drug industry. If you don’t like my opinion, fine, but lots of people would agree with me including many of those “political philosophers” you speak so highly of.
In my expirience, people rarely change they’re minds after their sure of something. Thats not to say it doesn’t happen, otherwise why would I try. The point of argument is to try to get both people on the same ground, then they can both choose for themselves which is right, even if they don’t publicly admit “defeat”.
What if it’s not a false belief? It’s alot different from “2+2=3” or “the world is flat”. Why? Because you can prove those things correct or incorrect.
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The extremely low prior probability and the total lack of evidence allow us, as Bayesians, to dismiss it as false. Taboo the word “proof”, because it’s not useful to us in this context.
Speaking as someone who thinks that the general outline of your point in that thread is the correct conclusion, the problem is you gave zero evidence or logic for why you would be correct. Suppose someone says “Hey we do things like X right now, but what if we did Y instead?” You can’t just respond “Y won’t work.” If you say “Y won’t work because of problems A,B, C” or “X works better than Y because of problems D,E,F” then you’ve got a discussion going. But otherwise, all you have is someone shouting “is not”/”is too.”
If we’re talking about the religion matter again, which it seems we are, weren’t you already linked to the Mysterious Answers sequence? And I’m pretty sure you were explicitly given this post. Maybe instead of waiting 8 minutes to post between that time read some of the things people have asked you to read? Or maybe spend a few hours just reading the sequences?
Edit: It is possible that you are running into problems with inferential distance.
That matches my experience everywhere except Lw.
Again, I did not say I disagreed with you, or that people downvoted you because they disagreed with you. Rather, you’re making a strong political claim without stating any justification, and not actually contributing anything in the process.
There is strong evidence that the world is not flat. There is also strong evidence that the Christian God doesn’t exist, and in fact to an indifferent agent the (very algorithmically complex) hypothesis that the Christian God exists shouldn’t even be elevated to the level of attention.
False—division by zero. You may want to see How to Convince Me 2+2=3.