Footnotes three and four are the sources behind today today’s understanding of consciousness as including “any kind of cognition....” as well as “awareness”.
The wikipedia quote doesn’t to show that independence is necessary for consciousness, and your arguments from the behaviour of the LLM don’t to show that there is any awareness, or anything beyond forms of cognition.
I think of cognition as involving the process of reasoning.
The question is the relationship between cognition and consciousness, not reasoning. Your quotes show that, at best, cognition is necessary but insufficient for consciousness.
If I google “define Independent,” the first definition that comes up is “free from outside control; not depending on another’s authority.”
Independence in an absolute sense might be impossible: any deterministic system can be controlled if you know how it works , and you can set the initial conditions.
Right now, my computer is running programs, but that is based on programming from someone else’s cognition. The key here is that, if we dissect Chat-GPT4, I don’t believe you would find Python/Java/C++ or any known programming language that a programmer used in order to tell GPT4 how to solve the particular problems I gave it in the four sessions (from my original post and my own reply/addendum to my original post).
That seems to be the heart of the issue. No, its responses are not explictly programmed in.
Yes, its reponses show the ability to learn and synthesise. Which means...minimally...that’s it actually is an AI …. not a glorified search engine. That’s what AI is supposed to do.
The question is whether there is a slope from
*Shows learning and synthesis in cognition
*Has independent cognition
*Is conscious.
*(Has personhood?....should be a citizen...?)
If your think that learning and synthesis in cognition are sufficient for consciousness
conscious, you are effectively assuming that all AIs are conscious. But, historically, Artificial Consciousness has been regarded as a much higher bar than artificial intelligence.
The wikipedia quote doesn’t to show that independence is necessary for consciousness, and your arguments from the behaviour of the LLM don’t to show that there is any awareness, or anything beyond forms of cognition.
The question is the relationship between cognition and consciousness, not reasoning. Your quotes show that, at best, cognition is necessary but insufficient for consciousness.
Independence in an absolute sense might be impossible: any deterministic system can be controlled if you know how it works , and you can set the initial conditions.
That seems to be the heart of the issue. No, its responses are not explictly programmed in. Yes, its reponses show the ability to learn and synthesise. Which means...minimally...that’s it actually is an AI …. not a glorified search engine. That’s what AI is supposed to do.
The question is whether there is a slope from
*Shows learning and synthesis in cognition *Has independent cognition *Is conscious. *(Has personhood?....should be a citizen...?)
If your think that learning and synthesis in cognition are sufficient for consciousness conscious, you are effectively assuming that all AIs are conscious. But, historically, Artificial Consciousness has been regarded as a much higher bar than artificial intelligence.