I do not have an alternate candidate in mind besides Bengio, and I don’t know if we should expect to be able to get him to have a debate like this. If Connor were to ruthlessly drill this in debates with people who are capable of acting on Beff’s level of consistent bad faith but are actually friendly, that might do the trick, not sure. But he has to be open to feedback that I currently model him as not being: things like “that argument structure will not work”.
(It might be more effective to have Bengio debate Connor in a format like this, actually.)
The marginal fan club member is who I’m concerned about, so yeah, the edge of beff’s fan club is my threat model. Neutral parties don’t matter significantly in my model; what matters is how many high skill technical people are following the instructions of the conceptual entity beff represents an instance of.
That seems like a pretty uphill battle, because they already kind of vibe with Beff, and this would naturally prejudice them. How big/dangerous is e/acc, really? Are they getting worse? Maybe we should be choosing different battles.
Connor also has fans (like me) and Beff utterly failed to move me. Would Beff draw away the marginal rationalist with his performance? I kind of think not. But that’s maybe not the part that matters.
I do not have an alternate candidate in mind besides Bengio, and I don’t know if we should expect to be able to get him to have a debate like this. If Connor were to ruthlessly drill this in debates with people who are capable of acting on Beff’s level of consistent bad faith but are actually friendly, that might do the trick, not sure. But he has to be open to feedback that I currently model him as not being: things like “that argument structure will not work”.
(It might be more effective to have Bengio debate Connor in a format like this, actually.)
The marginal fan club member is who I’m concerned about, so yeah, the edge of beff’s fan club is my threat model. Neutral parties don’t matter significantly in my model; what matters is how many high skill technical people are following the instructions of the conceptual entity beff represents an instance of.
That seems like a pretty uphill battle, because they already kind of vibe with Beff, and this would naturally prejudice them. How big/dangerous is e/acc, really? Are they getting worse? Maybe we should be choosing different battles.
Connor also has fans (like me) and Beff utterly failed to move me. Would Beff draw away the marginal rationalist with his performance? I kind of think not. But that’s maybe not the part that matters.