I can understand why you get downvoted on some of those posts on your profile. Nevertheless, I can understand a reason why you’d be right to criticize the downvoting of those posts. You do have real insights, but I also do think you could benefit from thinking a bit more about how to phrase them. I can’t interpret them easily, and I think that will be common here; but I also think that I could spend some effort to attempt rephrasings of your downvoted points and get massively agreement downvoted without getting karma downvoted. That said, as a person who has a tendency to get in fights online myself, I get karma voted more often than some folks, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this comment gets heavily agreement downvoted. I’m the type to occasionally read that one facial expression club that doesn’t like this website, even.
RE: how well does downvoting vs upvoting work—I’d say it has a lot of improvement to be made. Your point in this post is good, and I think right now there are a couple of strong upvotes (one is mine) and a strong downvote, or so.
In my view, downvote should mean “this was badly argued, please delete, rephrase, and try again”. It should be the same kind of thing as peer review rejection due to unreadable papers or missing examples.
Agreement votes should be much, much more clearly indicated as different. They should be doing the job of “I don’t agree, this seems wrong”. perhaps one should have to split their strong vote between agreement and karma. or something.
Both should probably be at the bottom of a comment, to mildly reduce perceptual bias.
Those are just some takes I have. I tend to delete a comment if it gets heavily karma downvoted—I take that to be an actual social rejection. I don’t tend to delete comments that get heavily agreement downvoted, I just move on with life knowing that I said something that was insightful enough that people thought I was the crazy one in the room, which should happen often enough that I sometimes get agreement downvoted.
Shrug. I think overall upvotes are doing a solid job making this a solid shared ai-and-human-safety research notebook website, which is what I want out of it.
I can understand why you get downvoted on some of those posts on your profile. Nevertheless, I can understand a reason why you’d be right to criticize the downvoting of those posts. You do have real insights, but I also do think you could benefit from thinking a bit more about how to phrase them. I can’t interpret them easily, and I think that will be common here; but I also think that I could spend some effort to attempt rephrasings of your downvoted points and get massively agreement downvoted without getting karma downvoted. That said, as a person who has a tendency to get in fights online myself, I get karma voted more often than some folks, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this comment gets heavily agreement downvoted. I’m the type to occasionally read that one facial expression club that doesn’t like this website, even.
RE: how well does downvoting vs upvoting work—I’d say it has a lot of improvement to be made. Your point in this post is good, and I think right now there are a couple of strong upvotes (one is mine) and a strong downvote, or so.
In my view, downvote should mean “this was badly argued, please delete, rephrase, and try again”. It should be the same kind of thing as peer review rejection due to unreadable papers or missing examples.
Agreement votes should be much, much more clearly indicated as different. They should be doing the job of “I don’t agree, this seems wrong”. perhaps one should have to split their strong vote between agreement and karma. or something.
Both should probably be at the bottom of a comment, to mildly reduce perceptual bias.
Those are just some takes I have. I tend to delete a comment if it gets heavily karma downvoted—I take that to be an actual social rejection. I don’t tend to delete comments that get heavily agreement downvoted, I just move on with life knowing that I said something that was insightful enough that people thought I was the crazy one in the room, which should happen often enough that I sometimes get agreement downvoted.
Shrug. I think overall upvotes are doing a solid job making this a solid shared ai-and-human-safety research notebook website, which is what I want out of it.